Chiefs The first offseason domino to fall... - Page 2

htismaqe · 02-10-2022, 09:31 AM

In 2 weeks, give or take, we will know of the first offseason question to be answered.

February 22nd to March 8th marks the period in which teams can use the franchise tag.

We'll know what they intend to do with Orlando Brown, at least for 2022 and possibly beyond.

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February 22 through March 8: Franchise/Transition Player designation period
March 16: 2021 NFL league year ends at 3:59 p.m. ET
March 16: 2022 NFL league year/free agency begins at 4 p.m. ET
April 4: Start of offseason workouts for teams with new head coaches
April 18: Start of offseason workouts for teams with no head coaching change
April 22: Last day of restricted free agent signing period
April 27: Last day to match offer sheets to restricted free agents
April 28 through April 30: 2022 NFL Draft in Las Vegas, NV

**The Franchise** · 02-10-2022, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I presume he's talking about the fact that a tag would mean all that money THIS season, while in a long term deal you could spread out the hit and possible negotiate a back loaded contact.

A tag MAY be prohibitive to signing a guy like Allen Robinson etc.

You would think that but not really. Veach can easily go into the start of FA with enough money to do both.

htismaqe · 02-10-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I presume he's talking about the fact that a tag would mean all that money THIS season, while in a long term deal you could spread out the hit and possibly negotiate a back loaded contact.

A tag MAY be prohibitive to signing a guy like Allen Robinson etc.

IF they can't use the tag to get a deal done. There's plenty of precedent, even on the Chiefs, of using the tag and getting a deal done after the draft.

htismaqe · 02-10-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

You would think that but not really. Veach can easily go into the start of FA with enough money to do both.

And knowing EXACTLY how much of the cap Brown is using up.

**The Franchise** · 02-10-2022, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And knowing EXACTLY how much of the cap Brown is using up.

Yep, and he'll be able to adjust from that number depending on what they want to do.

**Shaid** · 02-10-2022, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Tagging Brown would suck. Long term deal is best but he will want a lot and what really sucks is he's no where near a great LT but we gave up a 1 for him unfortunately so letting him walk is idiotic.

He has the power and we don't. Veach needs to stop giving away 1's for players anyway and certainly not for players that don't have deals.

We gave up the equivalance of a 2 for him. If we just flat out lose him in FA, we'll get a 3 as comp. Not great but I don't think we're necessarily forced into making a move if we don't want to.

I still don't see him as a great LT. He's still much more an RT in my mind. He's good and I wouldn't be upset if we re-signed him. I do agree that he's not worth what he wants.

**Shaid** · 02-10-2022, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Tagging Brown would suck. Long term deal is best but he will want a lot and what really sucks is he's no where near a great LT but we gave up a 1 for him unfortunately so letting him walk is idiotic.

He has the power and we don't. Veach needs to stop giving away 1's for players anyway and certainly not for players that don't have deals.

We gave up the equivalance of a 2 for him. If we just flat out lose him in FA, we'll get a 3 as comp. Not great but I don't think we're necessarily forced into making a move if we don't want to.

I still don't see him as a great LT. He's still much more an RT in my mind. He's good and I wouldn't be upset if we re-signed him. I do agree that he's not worth what he wants.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-10-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid

We gave up the equivalance of a 2 for him. If we just flat out lose him in FA, we'll get a 3 as comp. Not great but I don't think we're necessarily forced into making a move if we don't want to.

I still don't see him as a great LT. He's still much more an RT in my mind. He's good and I wouldn't be upset if we re-signed him. I do agree that he's not worth what he wants.

It's going to be more difficult for Orlando to get what he wants due to the raw fact that Chiefs didn't make the SB

dlphg9 · 02-10-2022, 03:00 PM

I'm not sure why anyone even replies to that dumb shit Red Dawg. He's reeruned and just wants to bitch. He's be ER gonna change his mind. It'd be nice if people stopped quoting and responding to.him.

dlphg9 · 02-10-2022, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It's going to be more difficult for Orlando to get what he wants due to the raw fact that Chiefs didn't make the SB

Players get paid what they want when they are shit teams all the time. This is just another stupid post by a stupid poster.

oldman · 02-10-2022, 03:59 PM

Is he worth $16.5M? That's the projected tag number for 2022: https://www.spotrac.com/spots/projec...g-values-1349/

htismaqe · 02-10-2022, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

Is he worth $16.5M? That's the projected tag number for 2022: https://www.spotrac.com/spots/projec...g-values-1349/

Yep, he's worth that. Especially if they can use the extra 4 months or so to hammer out a long-term deal, which will come at a much higher total cost but less cap hit in the beginning.

He's likely to get $20M+ as a free agent. His current projected market value is about $22M per.

MTG#10 · 02-10-2022, 05:31 PM

I dont know what everyone see in him. I saw him constantly getting beat by speed rushers, and in my opinion isn't even close to as good overall as Fish. But I also don't focus on the LT when I watch as much as some of you do so my opinion could be flawed and I'd love to have my mind changed about him.

dallaschiefsfan · 02-10-2022, 05:55 PM

Worst case, the tag buys you another year to see if you REALLY want to sign him. If he costs more next year, it's because he's worth it. Not a fan of just giving out a mega contract until we know that he's truly the long-term solution. I'd like to see if he improves in pass blocking with another off-season in our program.

Coogs · 02-10-2022, 06:36 PM

I would consider putting the tag on him that will allow him to negotiate with other teams. When we picked up both Brown and Thuney, our offensive line was in shambles.

Since then, we have hit two home runs on the offensive line in Humphrey and Smith.

The game at Cincinnati with Thuney at LT and Allegretti at LG was not awful. Remmers and Niang were decent at RT this year.

The offensive line could still be pretty decent without Brown.

If by some chance a mid 1st round pick... maybe from some team like the Eagles or Giants (teams with multiple 1st round picks)... might make its way back to the Chiefs in exchange for signing Brown, it maybe would afford us with a luxury to add a real difference maker on either side of the ball that we otherwise would have no shot at.

htismaqe · 02-10-2022, 06:52 PM

Niang was not decent at RT. He was awful. It's okay to say it because it's true.

tredadda · 02-10-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

I dont know what everyone see in him. I saw him constantly getting beat by speed rushers, and in my opinion isn't even close to as good overall as Fish. But I also don't focus on the LT when I watch as much as some of you do so my opinion could be flawed and I'd love to have my mind changed about him.

He had problems from time to time, but he's also far better than the current alternatives. It's just very hard to get an elite LT when you constantly draft 28-32.

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MTG#10 Mammoth penis Join Date: May 2006 Location: Springfield Casino cash: $7014386	I dont know what everyone see in him. I saw him constantly getting beat by speed rushers, and in my opinion isn't even close to as good overall as Fish. But I also don't focus on the LT when I watch as much as some of you do so my opinion could be flawed and I'd love to have my mind changed about him.
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dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3138850	Worst case, the tag buys you another year to see if you REALLY want to sign him. If he costs more next year, it's because he's worth it. Not a fan of just giving out a mega contract until we know that he's truly the long-term solution. I'd like to see if he improves in pass blocking with another off-season in our program. __________________
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Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2035651	I would consider putting the tag on him that will allow him to negotiate with other teams. When we picked up both Brown and Thuney, our offensive line was in shambles. Since then, we have hit two home runs on the offensive line in Humphrey and Smith. The game at Cincinnati with Thuney at LT and Allegretti at LG was not awful. Remmers and Niang were decent at RT this year. The offensive line could still be pretty decent without Brown. If by some chance a mid 1st round pick... maybe from some team like the Eagles or Giants (teams with multiple 1st round picks)... might make its way back to the Chiefs in exchange for signing Brown, it maybe would afford us with a luxury to add a real difference maker on either side of the ball that we otherwise would have no shot at.
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