WR Deandre Hopkins? - Page 2

Couch-Potato · 12-26-2022, 09:30 AM

I saw a few articles suggesting that the Cardinals might trade Deandre Hopkins this offseason. They've only won 4 games this year, might need to cash in and rebuild. Many believe he'd end up in NE after Bill Belichick flirted with him on the sidelines recently, but I'm wondering if he wants to play for a winning team at some point in his career. Others, like the Giants are speculating he could be had for a 2nd RD pick, which means if we were interested it would likely cost us a 2nd + an additional pick.

Hopkins contract salary is for $19.5m & $15m over the next two years, even if you paid JuJu $20m you'd still only be paying $10m more than Tyreek's contract for both. Hopkins missed 6 games, and JuJu has missed 1, but JuJu is only 160 yards ahead of Hopkins, both with 3 TDS and 11 yards per catch, so he hasn't lost a step. Hopkins also plays on the outside, and we could really use a tall outside WR, plus he's a phenomenal deep threat.

I think it'd be really interesting to explore a Deandre Hopkins trade this offseason with all those extra picks, for maybe a 2nd & 5th(?), to hopefully pair him with JuJu. Let Hardman, Watson AND MVS ($8.5m next year & $11.5m the following) walk.

Imagine rolling that Tyreek trade into the greatest passing attack we've ever had, and then blowing THAT offense out of the water the following year!

TE Kelce - Stalwart Goat TE
WR Hopkins - Tall Star Outside Deep Threat
WR JuJu - Big & Tall Slot Star
WR Toney - Fast & Crazy Agile Gadget / Returner
WR Moore - Chain Mover, grows into highly reliable route runner & pass catcher
WR Ross - Surprise Talent, has 2 year to learn from Hopkins
WR Rookie - New Blood

Dante84 · 12-27-2022, 11:16 AM

Okay so what about this?

2 locks, 1 extension
- Skyy is here
- Toney is here
- Bring back JuJu

3 departures
- Hardman leaves in FA for big money
- Watson is not retained
- MVS is either released (POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 1 YR, $9,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP) or part of a trade package.

3 "go-gets"
- Trade for DeAndre Hopkins OR Trade (less) for Tyler Lockett.
- Sign a FA: Sterling Shepard, DJ Chark, Mack Hollins, Allen Lazard (OR keep MVS)
- Draft a rookie WR

Camp fodder with a chance
- Justyn Ross

Leaves you with:
- Hopkins OR Lockett [Big Money]
- JuJu [Big Money]
- Toney [Rookie Money]
- Shepard OR Chark OR Hollins OR Lazard OR MVS [Mid Money]
- Skyy [Rookie Money]
- Rookie OR Justyn Ross [Rookie Money]

Dunerdr · 12-27-2022, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84

Okay so what about this?

2 locks, 1 extension
- Skyy is here
- Toney is here
- Bring back JuJu

3 departures
- Hardman leaves in FA for big money
- Watson is not retained
- MVS is either released (POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 1 YR, $9,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP) or part of a trade package.

3 "go-gets"
- Trade for DeAndre Hopkins OR Trade (less) for Tyler Lockett.
- Sign a FA: Sterling Shepard, DJ Chark, Mack Hollins, Allen Lazard (OR keep MVS)
- Draft a rookie WR

Camp fodder with a chance
- Justyn Ross

Leaves you with:
- Hopkins OR Lockett [Big Money]
- JuJu [Big Money]
- Toney [Rookie Money]
- Shepard OR Chark OR Hollins OR Lazard OR MVS [Mid Money]
- Skyy [Rookie Money]
- Rookie OR Justyn Ross [Rookie Money]

I'm good with any of these scenarios. IMO they are all an upgrade from where we are now.

**Buehler445** · 12-27-2022, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

The 6 he missed this year was because of suspension, too. He's been mostly reliable health-wise.

It was Fuller that I was thinking was always injured.

Couch-Potato · 12-27-2022, 11:34 PM

I dig it, here's my plan:

- Hopkins [Biggish Money]
- JuJu [Biggish Money]
- Toney [Rookie Money]
- Skyy [Rookie Money]
- Justyn Ross [Rookie Money]
- Rookie [Rookie Money]
- Watson [~$1m Optional Addition]

Bottom 3 battle for reps

kccrow · 12-28-2022, 12:08 AM

Couch-Potato · 12-28-2022, 06:45 AM

I think we'd have difficulty finding a better discounted contract on talent anywhere in the league outside of a rookie deal. Guy's still a ~top 5 WR, I'd probably rather pay him than JuJu if I had my choice of either on a 2 yr contract. Trading the 2nd hurts, but not so bad if you consider you're likely to get a Mecole Hardman type, and not a Deandre Hopkins, with that pick.

kcbubb · 12-28-2022, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Two years of Hopkins for half what Tyreek made? Sign me up.

He probably won’t play for $15M. He probably holds out or asks for a trade for a long term deal? We traded tyreek with one year left on his deal. We could have kept him for one more year and then traded him. Veach doesn’t normally sign older players unless they are cheap on one year deals. I’m not saying it’s a terrible idea at all. It’s a great idea but the assumptions for how this would work are faulty. Dhop wants a new deal if traded.

Couch-Potato · 12-29-2022, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

He probably won’t play for $15M. He probably holds out or asks for a trade for a long term deal? We traded tyreek with one year left on his deal. We could have kept him for one more year and then traded him. Veach doesn’t normally sign older players unless they are cheap on one year deals. I’m not saying it’s a terrible idea at all. It’s a great idea but the assumptions for how this would work are faulty. Dhop wants a new deal if traded.

Agreed, but can he expect that after missing 6 games this season? Or would he have to play for a year on his $19.5m 2023 contract before he could expect an extension?

Chris Meck · 12-31-2022, 09:16 AM

I don't know who needs to hear this, but no, we don't have time to run wasp.

**Bowser** · 12-31-2022, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

No.

This.

I'd love Hop here - he'd be lethal opposite Kelce with his route running ability, hands, and ability to catch contested passes. But with our needs elsewhere, his return on investment when you consider the state of our o-tackles and defensive line, especially considering how we have the top offense right now without him or Tyreek or studs at left or right tackles, it just doesn't make sense.

We need to throw our resources at the non-sexy positions this offseason (defensive end not being non-sexy), and I figure it's going to bring some frustration because players like D-Hop would be amazing playing with Mahomes.

**chiefforlife** · 12-31-2022, 11:13 PM

Salary cap is important but also, remember Veach was going to pay Tyreek north of 20 mil a season while also adding JuJu.

He was also offering Orlando a huge LT contract at the same time.

So while it seems we may not be able to afford it, Veach is unafraid!

I love watching this man work.

Chris Meck · 01-01-2023, 09:29 AM

Nope.

ToxSocks · 01-03-2023, 12:25 PM

JuJu and Hopkins occupy the same role except Hopkins is better at it.

It makes no sense to have them both. And again, no one is paying JJSS $20M a year. WTF.

Hopkins to replace JJSS? Im for it. And i'd retain Hardman.

Hopkins
MVS
Toney
Hardman
Moore
Rookie

Couch-Potato · 01-13-2023, 08:13 PM

Vegas has KC as #1 most likely destination for Hopkins in 2023.

Interesting.

Titty Meat · 01-13-2023, 08:58 PM

Not paying someone that old that much money. This draft will have alot of talent

12-26-2022, 09:30 AM
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $183065	WR Deandre Hopkins? I saw a few articles suggesting that the Cardinals might trade Deandre Hopkins this offseason. They've only won 4 games this year, might need to cash in and rebuild. Many believe he'd end up in NE after Bill Belichick flirted with him on the sidelines recently, but I'm wondering if he wants to play for a winning team at some point in his career. Others, like the Giants are speculating he could be had for a 2nd RD pick, which means if we were interested it would likely cost us a 2nd + an additional pick. Hopkins contract salary is for $19.5m & $15m over the next two years, even if you paid JuJu $20m you'd still only be paying $10m more than Tyreek's contract for both. Hopkins missed 6 games, and JuJu has missed 1, but JuJu is only 160 yards ahead of Hopkins, both with 3 TDS and 11 yards per catch, so he hasn't lost a step. Hopkins also plays on the outside, and we could really use a tall outside WR, plus he's a phenomenal deep threat. I think it'd be really interesting to explore a Deandre Hopkins trade this offseason with all those extra picks, for maybe a 2nd & 5th(?), to hopefully pair him with JuJu. Let Hardman, Watson AND MVS ($8.5m next year & $11.5m the following) walk. Imagine rolling that Tyreek trade into the greatest passing attack we've ever had, and then blowing THAT offense out of the water the following year! TE Kelce - Stalwart Goat TE WR Hopkins - Tall Star Outside Deep Threat WR JuJu - Big & Tall Slot Star WR Toney - Fast & Crazy Agile Gadget / Returner WR Moore - Chain Mover, grows into highly reliable route runner & pass catcher WR Ross - Surprise Talent, has 2 year to learn from Hopkins WR Rookie - New Blood
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12-27-2022, 11:16 AM	#16
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-1998004 VARSITY	Okay so what about this? 2 locks, 1 extension - Skyy is here - Toney is here - Bring back JuJu 3 departures - Hardman leaves in FA for big money - Watson is not retained - MVS is either released (POTENTIAL OUT: 2023, 1 YR, $9,000,000; $4,000,000 DEAD CAP) or part of a trade package. 3 "go-gets" - Trade for DeAndre Hopkins OR Trade (less) for Tyler Lockett. - Sign a FA: Sterling Shepard, DJ Chark, Mack Hollins, Allen Lazard (OR keep MVS) - Draft a rookie WR Camp fodder with a chance - Justyn Ross Leaves you with: - Hopkins OR Lockett [Big Money] - JuJu [Big Money] - Toney [Rookie Money] - Shepard OR Chark OR Hollins OR Lazard OR MVS [Mid Money] - Skyy [Rookie Money] - Rookie OR Justyn Ross [Rookie Money] __________________ .. Last edited by Dante84; 12-27-2022 at 11:21 AM..
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12-27-2022, 11:34 PM	#19
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $183065	I dig it, here's my plan: - Hopkins [Biggish Money] - JuJu [Biggish Money] - Toney [Rookie Money] - Skyy [Rookie Money] - Justyn Ross [Rookie Money] - Rookie [Rookie Money] - Watson [~$1m Optional Addition] Bottom 3 battle for reps
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12-28-2022, 12:08 AM	#20
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12-28-2022, 06:45 AM	#21
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $183065	I think we'd have difficulty finding a better discounted contract on talent anywhere in the league outside of a rookie deal. Guy's still a ~top 5 WR, I'd probably rather pay him than JuJu if I had my choice of either on a 2 yr contract. Trading the 2nd hurts, but not so bad if you consider you're likely to get a Mecole Hardman type, and not a Deandre Hopkins, with that pick.
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chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Salary cap is important but also, remember Veach was going to pay Tyreek north of 20 mil a season while also adding JuJu. He was also offering Orlando a huge LT contract at the same time. So while it seems we may not be able to afford it, Veach is unafraid! I love watching this man work.
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01-03-2023, 12:25 PM	#28
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2063063	JuJu and Hopkins occupy the same role except Hopkins is better at it. It makes no sense to have them both. And again, no one is paying JJSS $20M a year. WTF. Hopkins to replace JJSS? Im for it. And i'd retain Hardman. Hopkins MVS Toney Hardman Moore Rookie __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $183065	Vegas has KC as #1 most likely destination for Hopkins in 2023. Interesting.
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