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Old 02-02-2023, 12:50 PM  
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Nobody's talking about the piss-poor run game vs The Bengals last week?
Of course there was so much greatness to talk about after beating the pussycats in the AFCCG, did we overlook the shockingly terrible ground game?

What gives?

Total team rushing yds = 42

Pacheco = 10 runs for 26.
Jerrick = 4 runs for 1 yard
RoJo = 1 run for zero

RBs accounted for 27 yards.

Patrick 3 for 8 yards
Mecole 2 for 7

20 rush attempts (vs 43 pass attempts as far as I can tell)

Did CIN just stack the box the whole time figuring Pat couldn't scramble? We didn't make any adjustments? Our O-line is THAT bad run blocking?

Discuss.

If this was already drudged over in another megathread, please blame megathreads. George didn't even make it a "thing" in his ten things, just a couples sentences buried in the Mahomes "thing"

GIVE ME HOPE! How can we balance out the game to beat PHI.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:03 PM   #16
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Yeah but it was brutal, nothing worked. Jet seeps, misdirects, Pacheco who usually finds a hole once or twice.

At least Pacheco and McKinnon had good yards via a couple of dump offs. But dang, it might be a long day if they can't at least bust a couple through.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:04 PM   #17
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Win or lose, I suspect people are going to be angry at Andy for not running the ball enough in the Super Bowl.

I swear I saw a few people after the Tampa SB loss whining about how we could have had a shot in the game if we had run the ball more.
Not sure how much time you spent in the GDT but it was a mixture of "Why aren't we running more?!" and also "Stop running the ball on 1st and 2nd down!". These were both after we couldn't run the ball for shit.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:04 PM   #18
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I do find it weird though, our interior oline are a bunch of really good players. We can never get one yard up the middle though. I just can't wrap my head around that.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:05 PM   #19
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We don't need balance in the Offense to beat the Eagles, but we do need to be a lot more effective when we do choose to run the ball.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:05 PM   #20
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15 attempts says they didn't want to run.
Early it seemed like they were going to try to maintain some balance. And I'm wanting to say they made a halftime adjustment to focus on outside zone when the inside zone stuff was getting wrecked. When it didn't work, they just scrapped the run game.

And that was the right call.

There's just no sense in 'establishing the run' at this point in the season. It's a myth and it don't work.

If you're running well, go ahead and continue to mix them in there and try to get a nice 60/40 pass/run split. And if it isn't working - screw it, fire that !@#$ing pigskin!
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:06 PM   #21
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We don't need balance in the Offense to beat the Eagles, but we do need to be a lot more effective when we do choose to run the ball.
Eagles run defense is a big step down from the Bengals run defense.

Should be very possible.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:07 PM   #22
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We seem to run better with Mahomes taking the snap under center. A gimpy Mahomes made that riskier, and my sense is our run game from shotgun isn't as effective. Hopefully, two more weeks to recover will put Mahomes under center a bit more to put that back into the game plan.
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Some folks were saying that Tre Smith was dinged early in the game and played through it.

Not sure that Wylie should have been called for holding on the TD run by Pacheco.

Chiefs losing Toney and Hardman was big loss for run part of game plan that requires motion or speed to the edge.
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Eagles run defense is a big step down from the Bengals run defense.

Should be very possible.
Cox isn't a force against the run anymore and Hargrave doesn't even try to stop it. Linval Joseph is more name than productivity. Davis hasn't really stepped up as a rookie yet. They just don't have much gravity in the middle; certainly nothing like Cincy has.

And their edges are more designed to rush as well, though Brandon Graham may be one of the more secretly great players in the league. I don't think he'll make the HoF or anything - but he actually might and NOBODY thinks of him in that light. He's been a damn good player for a really long time. He makes me nervous in this one because you know he's going to empty the tank. He could absolutely have an impact on the run game if Wylie can't hold his own against him.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:15 PM   #25
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We also ran a bunch of those "RB up the C's ass on first down" plays we all loooove so much. Those tend to kill averages.

Both Ds did a great job shutting down the run. Closed gaps, wrapped up, made tackles.
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They were playing the run and forcing a gimpy Mahomes to beat them.

And he did.
I haven't looked at the alignments, but this was my gut feel. It's what I would have done.
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Trey Smith wasn't at 100%.
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They were definitely making an effort to stop the run. The only good run we had was Pacheco’s TD that got called back by a penalty.
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Old 02-02-2023, 01:28 PM   #29
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I read this somewhere online, sorry cant remember where, but when all our Wr's went out they were primarily playing a one high safety look and bringing the other safety down for run support. Which made MVC more effective in the many routes he was running against that allignment.
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Trey Smith is/ was banged up a bit.

Also, we got a few passes to Pacheco which is basically an extension of the run game and added another 60 yards.
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