Brett Kollman DE & DT Tiers

[Meatloaf]

Haven’t seen this anywhere on CP, so I thought I’d post them. Kollman has a couple of YouTube vids where he goes in depth on each guy. Interesting. Anyway, here are his Tiers:

DE T1
Will Anderson, Alabama
Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
Nolan Smith, Georgia
Myles Murphy, Clemson
DE T2
Lucas Van Ness, Iowa
Keion White, GA Tech
Will McDonald, Iowa St
Bryon Young, Tenn
BJ Ojulari, LSU
Derick Hall, Auburn
Dylan Horton, TCU
Tuli Tuipulotu, USC
Felix Anudike-Uzomah, KSU
DE T3
Nick Hampton, App St
Zach Harrison, Ohio St
Isaih Foksey, ND
Jose Ramirez, E Mich
Yasir Abdulla, Louisville
Ya Ya Diaby, Louisville
KJ Henry, Clemson
Mike Morris, Mich
BJ Thompson, SFAustin
Nick Herbig, Wisc
Derek Parish, Hou
Dante Stills, W VA
Ikenna Enechulou, Rice
Desjuan Johnson, Toledo
Andre Carter, Army

DT T1
Jalen Carter, Georgia
DT T2
Calijah Kancey, Pitt
Keeanu Benton, Wisc
Mazi Smith, Mich
DT T3
Adeyomiwa Adeboware, Northwestern
Jerrod Clark, Coastal Car
Kobie Turner, wake Forest
Bryon Young, Ala
Bryan Bresee, Clemson
Gervan Dexter, Fla
DT T4
Jaqueln Roy, LSU
HestavJade Silvera, AZ St
Moro Ojomo, TX
Siaki Ika, Baylor
Keondre Coburn, TX

Kollman’s YouTube assessments are long, extensive and very informative. FYI.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Chargem

I've been listening to various podcasts and I am getting more and more certain the Chiefs don't take a DE in the 1st round, and maybe not even in the 2nd.

The Chiefs probably consider themselves to have starting DEs locked up for the next 2 years in Karlaftis and Omenihu, I can't see them taking a DE in the 1st round that they don't see a path to "starter" for until 3 years time, and I don't think the talent is right at the back end of the round either for what the Chiefs would want.

I see DE as more of a 3rd or 4th round, rotational guy who can develop situation.

They also openly talked about Frank Clark maybe coming back. I don't think they see it as a huge need.

[Direckshun]

I think Andre Carter falls to the 4th.

The concerns about him needing to be completely re-coached are real. Teams love his size but I don't think anybody has any faith that he's remotely playable for a season or so.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think Andre Carter falls to the 4th.

The concerns about him needing to be completely re-coached are real. Teams love his size but I don't think anybody has any faith that he's remotely playable for a season or so.

People were trying to convince me he was a 1st rounder a few months back. Madness.

[DJ's left nut]

Well at least someone else believes in Jerrod Clark...

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well at least someone else believes in Jerrod Clark...

Had him in a bunch of my early mocks but he's not a T3 guy for me if he' putting Ika in T4. Frustrating ranking for Ika for me.

[kccrow]

I'm thoroughly frustrated with the unsystematic approach to rankings anymore.
Why do I continually feel like there needs to be a clear delineation of what is a 43DE, 34ER, 345T, 433T, 431T, 340T, etc? Mashing so many of these guys into non-schematic fits is tough. There may be some overlap but not as much as seems to be the regular lately.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TambaBerry

Someone sell me on Keion White, I'm not seeing it with him

Just lunatic measurables and shows occasional flashes of being an absolute superstar.

But ultimately that's just what you're looking at in the late 1st - someone that doesn't have much ceiling (GK) or someone that needs to be coached up to iron out flaws in his game.

You can target a range of a 6-7 or someone with a range of a 4-9. White is the latter. He may suck - but he has star tools that a lot of the folks taken at that point in the draft simply don't have.

[Mecca]

Keion White is basically huge and he plays hard, so GMs love that. He lacks bend and he's old...

He also gamed the system a bit in avoiding doing agility testing.

[kccrow]

How would u guys feel about this:

Tier 1
34-ER Will Anderson, Alabama
43-DE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
43-3T Jalen Carter, Georgia

Tier 2
34-ER Will McDonald, Iowa State
43-DE Myles Murphy, Clemson
43-DE Lucas Van Ness, Iowa
43-DE Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame
43-DE Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State
43-3T Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin
43-3T Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh

Tier 3
34-ER Nolan Smith, Georgia
34-ER Derick Hall, Auburn
34-ER B.J. Ojulari, Louisiana State
43-DE Tuli Tuipulotu, Southern Cal
34-5T Keion White, Georgia Tech
34-5T Adeyomiwa Adeboware, Northwestern
43-3T Zacch Pickens, South Carolina
43-1T Gervon Dexter, Florida
34-0T Mazi Smith, Michigan
34-0T Siaki Ika, Baylor

Tier 4
34-ER Byron Young, Tennessee
34-ER Yasir Abdullah, Louisville
34-ER Nick Hampton, Appalachian State
34-ER Nick Herbig, Wisconsin
34-ER Eku Leota, Auburn
34-ER Tyrus Wheat, Mississippi State
43-DE Dylan Horton, Texas Christian
43-DE YaYa Diaby, Louisville
43-DE Tavius Robinson, Ole Miss
43-DE Isaiah McGuire, Missouri
43-DE Viliami Fehoko, San Jose State
34-5T Colby Wooden, Auburn
34-5T Dante Stills, West Virginia
34-5T Zach Harrison, Ohio State
34-5T Scott Matlock, Boise State
43-3T Byron Young, Alabama
43-3T Karl Brooks, Bowling Green
43-3T Kobie Turner, Wake Forest
43-1T Cameron Young, Mississippi State
43-1T Jaquelin Roy, Louisiana State
34-0T Keondre Coburn, Texas

Tier 5
34-ER Brenton Cox, Florida
34-ER Jose Ramirez, Eastern Michigan
34-ER Lonnie Phelps, Kansas
34-ER Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan
34-ER Robert Beal, Jr, Georgia
34-ER B.J. Thompson, Stephen F. Austin
34-ER Derek Parish, Houston
43-DE Andre Carter, Army
43-DE M.J. Anderson, Iowa State
43-DE D.J. Johnson, Oregon
43-DE K.J. Henry, Clemson
43-DE Ali Gaye, Louisiana State
43-DE Habakkuk Baldonado, Pittsburgh
43-DE Desjuan Johnson, Toledo
34-5T Mike Morris, Michigan
34-5T Moro Ojomo, Texas
34-5T Jalen Redmond, Oklahoma
34-5T Tyler Lacy, Oklahoma State
34-5T Deslin Alexander, Pittsburgh
43-3T Nesta Jade Silvera, Arizona State
43-3T Jonah Tavai, San Diego State
43-1T Jacob Slade, Michigan State
43-1T Taron Vincent, Ohio State
43-1T D.J. Dale, Alabama
43-1T P.J. Mustipher, Penn State
34-0T Brodric Martin, Western Kentucky
34-0T Jerrod Clark, Coastal Carolina

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

How would u guys feel about this:

Tier 1
34-ER Will Anderson, Alabama
43-DE Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech
43-3T Jalen Carter, Georgia

Tier 2
34-ER Will McDonald, Iowa State
43-DE Myles Murphy, Clemson
43-DE Lucas Van Ness, Iowa
43-DE Isaiah Foskey, Notre Dame
43-DE Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas State
43-3T Keeanu Benton, Wisconsin
43-3T Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh

Tier 3
34-ER Nolan Smith, Georgia
34-ER Derick Hall, Auburn
34-ER B.J. Ojulari, Louisiana State
43-DE Tuli Tuipulotu, Southern Cal
34-5T Keion White, Georgia Tech
34-5T Adeyomiwa Adeboware, Northwestern
43-3T Zacch Pickens, South Carolina
43-1T Gervon Dexter, Florida
34-0T Mazi Smith, Michigan
34-0T Siaki Ika, Baylor

Tier 4
34-ER Byron Young, Tennessee
34-ER Yasir Abdullah, Louisville
34-ER Nick Hampton, Appalachian State
34-ER Nick Herbig, Wisconsin
34-ER Eku Leota, Auburn
34-ER Tyrus Wheat, Mississippi State
43-DE Dylan Horton, Texas Christian
43-DE YaYa Diaby, Louisville
43-DE Tavius Robinson, Ole Miss
43-DE Isaiah McGuire, Missouri
43-DE Viliami Fehoko, San Jose State
34-5T Colby Wooden, Auburn
34-5T Dante Stills, West Virginia
34-5T Zach Harrison, Ohio State
34-5T Scott Matlock, Boise State
43-3T Byron Young, Alabama
43-3T Karl Brooks, Bowling Green
43-3T Kobie Turner, Wake Forest
43-1T Cameron Young, Mississippi State
43-1T Jaquelin Roy, Louisiana State
34-0T Keondre Coburn, Texas

Tier 5
34-ER Brenton Cox, Florida
34-ER Jose Ramirez, Eastern Michigan
34-ER Lonnie Phelps, Kansas
34-ER Thomas Incoom, Central Michigan
34-ER Robert Beal, Jr, Georgia
34-ER B.J. Thompson, Stephen F. Austin
34-ER Derek Parish, Houston
43-DE Andre Carter, Army
43-DE M.J. Anderson, Iowa State
43-DE D.J. Johnson, Oregon
43-DE K.J. Henry, Clemson
43-DE Ali Gaye, Louisiana State
43-DE Habakkuk Baldonado, Pittsburgh
43-DE Desjuan Johnson, Toledo
34-5T Mike Morris, Michigan
34-5T Moro Ojomo, Texas
34-5T Jalen Redmond, Oklahoma
34-5T Tyler Lacy, Oklahoma State
34-5T Deslin Alexander, Pittsburgh
43-3T Nesta Jade Silvera, Arizona State
43-3T Jonah Tavai, San Diego State
43-1T Jacob Slade, Michigan State
43-1T Taron Vincent, Ohio State
43-1T D.J. Dale, Alabama
43-1T P.J. Mustipher, Penn State
34-0T Brodric Martin, Western Kentucky
34-0T Jerrod Clark, Coastal Carolina

Nice work kccrow! Yeah, kind of amazed no pundits have done it this way! Only one I'd quibble with is Nolan Smith who I rate much higher.

[Meatloaf]

Hi Crow! Like your breakdown a lot. Where would you place Byran Bresee from Clemson? Personally, I think he's generally been ranked too high by most pundits. How do you see him?

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by JPH83

Nice work kccrow! Yeah, kind of amazed no pundits have done it this way! Only one I'd quibble with is Nolan Smith who I rate much higher.

I think they avoid putting them in a box so that later they can say " Well teams told me they view him as a 3-4 outside rusher, so i had him here. Thats the only reason i was wrong."

Also it appears im higher on Jaquelin Roy than everyone else.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well at least someone else believes in Jerrod Clark...

I was one of them.

All the tools are there. I love the guy. I still think he's worth consideration in the 2nd round.

But there have been consistent complaints about Carter's complete need to have to learn the position for about a month now from people I respect.

I will say this: if he's a developmental guy, he's as good a shot to make the develop.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm thoroughly frustrated with the unsystematic approach to rankings anymore.
Why do I continually feel like there needs to be a clear delineation of what is a 43DE, 34ER, 345T, 433T, 431T, 340T, etc? Mashing so many of these guys into non-schematic fits is tough. There may be some overlap but not as much as seems to be the regular lately.

DraftTek is not the best draft website out there, but they absolutely nail this aspect of it.

[kcbubb]

Yes, nice work crow. We need size at edge with spags so I’d think we’d be interested in 43 DE or 34 5T that are very athletic with long arms like adeboware or keion white. Personally, I don’t see adebo’s height as a concern for me. He won’t be able to bat balls like Carlos Dunlap but he’s got long arms and he’s built to bull rush from the edge with a stout lower body. And his athleticism gives him a high ceiling. I’d love to get adebo in the 2nd or even move up a bit to get him in the 2nd. God doesn’t make many 280 lbs that work hard and hustle that can run 4.49 and have a 37” vert. Does anyone else find adebo interesting?