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Old 05-09-2024, 09:40 PM  
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Warner Brothers headed back to Middle Earth on the big screen
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Peter Jackson Working on New ‘Lord of the Rings’ Films for Warner Bros., Targeting 2026 Debut

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The first film, from New Line Cinema and Warner Bros. Pictures, will be called Lord of the Rings: The Hunt for Gollum (working title), with Andy Serkis set to star and direct the feature
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Old 05-10-2024, 10:37 AM   #16
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Gandalf kicking ass in some nether-realm would be a hell of a lot of fun. But you'd still have First Age stuff that would probably annoy you.

Hey, maybe they could right the wrongs of the original trilogy and actually involve Tom Bombadil.

It really did take me awhile to figure out that Gandalf and Saruman and even Sauron where all the same 'order' of mythical creature. Even Radagast. Sauron is just a monumental asshole.

But once you figure that out, the 'victory' makes a little more sense. Sauron really shouldn't have been orders of magnitude more powerful than Gandalf - in fact he most likely wasn't. He was just proactive and had Gandalf on his heels from the jump. That doesn't mean he couldn't recapture the initiative, but it took a couple of good breaks along the way.
Sauron was of the same 'order' as Gandalf and gang. Big difference between him and them was he wasn't constrained like they were. They came over as advisors but were cloaked as old men in mortal bodies. That's why Gandalf died (and was brought back) as well as Saruman (in the Shire).

That was a limitation on them that Sauron did not have to deal with.
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Old 05-10-2024, 10:41 AM   #17
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so it's a Fellowship prequel. Cool.

Sir Ian should be back.
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Old 05-10-2024, 11:06 AM   #18
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Actually watched the Rings of Power and found that it wasn't nearly as bad as many tried to make it. Personally I didn't care for the "Galadriel Warrior Princess" arc, but it is what it is. What I do like was how they could incorporate more elements into the story as their is far less source material that they would have to adhere to.

The Silmarillion is definitely a book that would thrive with a trilogy movie made for it for many of the reasons you highlighted above. The material is there, so the hard part would be making that come to life on the screen without creating multiple snooze fests for the average audience member.

What also could do well is a movie or series involving the Blue Wizards in the east. There's just enough lore that they could make something while keeping it "canon" while not enough lore that they can't take reasonable creative licenses with the story.

I think that would allow for an expansion into an area of Middle Earth that has always been fascinating and mysterious to many fans. As Tolkien has long since passed (as well as his son) there is no way to 100% know if/what he thought of those areas from a lore development perspective (outside vague references here and there).

By having someone like Jackson make it with input from recognized Tolkien experts, I think something great could be made while keeping in the spirit of how Tolkien most likely would have envisioned it.
Exactly right - a better and more succinct summation of what I was trying to say.

It's a perfect outline. It has lore, it has story, but it's so damn vague at parts that you can stretch WELL beyond the source material. It has bright lines but plenty of places to fill in the colors.

Its like the battle scenes in both LOTR and ASOIAF - there's very little actually written on any of that. They just...happen. So they lend themselves to a ton of creative license that doesn't violate the spirit of the books (and in many ways builds incredibly well on them).

It really could be as good or better than LOTR.
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Old 05-10-2024, 11:35 AM   #19
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You'd think they would have learned their lesson with how badly the Gollum game bombed.
My very first thought. That game was historically bad and you're planning to double down on that exact subject matter for a movie. Bold choice.
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See, this idea should have been what was distributed to Amazon, and The Rings of Power should have been the next feature film trilogy. They boofed the order of things.

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so it's a Fellowship prequel. Cool.

Sir Ian should be back.
I wouldn't be shocked if they're doing this specifically for Ian McKellen. He has stated repeatedly and strongly that he wanted to play Gandalf one last time, and well, he's earned the right to ask to do so.
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Old 05-10-2024, 07:35 PM   #21
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Don't give a single fart, wasn't a huge fan of the originals and care even less about the reeruns

We're in our 50s, 60s and 70s now... how much longer do we have to pretend
to care about this rehashed trash?

Hollywood is out of good ideas, its starving for ideas and its eating itself now.. they're going to trash every good series from here on out with countless redo's and "alternate universes"

I'd rather watch old Gunsmoke reruns, and I will
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Old 05-10-2024, 07:50 PM   #22
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Don't give a single fart, wasn't a huge fan of the originals and care even less about the reeruns

We're in our 50s, 60s and 70s now... how much longer do we have to pretend
to care about this rehashed trash?

Hollywood is out of good ideas, its starving for ideas and its eating itself now.. they're going to trash every good series from here on out with countless redo's and "alternate universes"

I'd rather watch old Gunsmoke reruns, and I will
I'm visiting my mom, and we happened to watch an old Gunsmoke rerun today.



It was better than I was expecting.
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Gollum?



Why do I get the feeling they're going to **** this up in the most epic way possible?



Why can't we have a backstory movie about Gandalf?
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Old 05-10-2024, 09:38 PM   #24
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I'm visiting my mom, and we happened to watch an old Gunsmoke rerun today.



It was better than I was expecting.
Such an iconic series, didn't even get colorized until its 12th season... but thats when the writing took a huge leap, same as the revolving cast of regulars who went on to star in 1000 different tv shows and movies

From Harrison Ford to Slim Pickens, Warren Oates to Burt Reynolds... they all got started on Gunsmoke
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Old 05-10-2024, 11:03 PM   #25
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The two most annoying things about the LOTR movies were (a) the stupid walking tree things, and (b) Gollum. No desire to see a stand-alone movie about either.
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The two most annoying things about the LOTR movies were (a) the stupid walking tree things, and (b) Gollum. No desire to see a stand-alone movie about either.
I doubt they have a stand alone movie about the Ents or Gollum lol.
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Since they ruined the Hobbit (I loved that book as a kid and it's still great as an adult) I have no confidence in them making up a story about Gollum.

I tried to read the Silmarilian once. It bent my brain inside of 10 pages, and back on the shelf it went.

As I understand it, much of the background material in the original LotR trilogy came from the Silmarillian. I've read LotR a couple of times, and there's a lot in there that's not in the movies (Tom Bombadill being the biggest omission) but they did a great job making the movies. Hobbit was a shit show.
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The two most annoying things about the LOTR movies were (a) the stupid walking tree things, and (b) Gollum. No desire to see a stand-alone movie about either.
The Ents in Two Towers were cool worldbuilding at the very least. And their assault on Isengard was pretty awesome.
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The two most annoying things about the LOTR movies were (a) the stupid walking tree things, and (b) Gollum. No desire to see a stand-alone movie about either.


The Ents are amazing.
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