Mort says it's NOT the scheme....

[CanadaKC]

...it's the talent of the players...and poor tackling that is the problem on the Chiefs D. Check out today's Mort chat on ESPN for link. There you have it. I trust Mort more than a lot of football analysts...although most of us knew that already. Let's face it...time for Carl to draft a stud d player...not a tweener, project, or reach anymore.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by journeyscarab

Get Gun out of the booth and down with the troops. He looks like a caged lion whenever they show him on TV. He's be more effective on the sidelines with the D.

I'm sure he sits where he wants to during the games.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by lazarus

imo we haven't seen gun's attacking defense in action is because he found out, just like Greg Rob/inson found out, that our secondary isn't good enough to cover behind a blitz.

Could be.

But it could also be that he can't just ignore the run while the teams are still in the game, so he can't attack the QB.

If teams have to play catch up, then the QB would get less time in the pocket, and the DBs that can't cover (Dexter) wouldn't be forced to try and maintain coverage for as long.

[JohnnyV13]

Well,

I think the Chiefs should go "old style" in their practices. They obviously need more live hitting. So what we do is let the D beat the snot out of the second team offense to practice tackling fundamentals. Sure its an injury risk. But, we can't go on like this and perhaps the tackling will improve. Tackling is technique and obviously they aren't getting enough reps.

[Gaz]

Originally Posted by milkman

...Clearly the talent level has to be improved, but I thought Gun's attacking style, combined with a high octane O would be able to mask some of the talent deficiencies on D.

So far we haven't had an opportunity to see that.

The “high ocatane O” has been conspicuously absent.

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopes Al and the Boyz clear that up on Sunday.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by milkman

Could be.

But it could also be that he can't just ignore the run while the teams are still in the game, so he can't attack the QB.

If teams have to play catch up, then the QB would get less time in the pocket, and the DBs that can't cover (Dexter) wouldn't be forced to try and maintain coverage for as long.

yea...


imo he needs to stop his linebackers from charging at the snap of the ball.


i think this is by design


it's part of the reason the linebackers overcommit and get caught out of position.


the linebackers also line up too far inside ... allowing teams to use a counter-step inside ... then catch the corner on running play with consistancy.

[milkman]

I agree Laz.
I think it's part of the design to stop the run.

But it isn't working.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by milkman

I agree Laz.
I think it's part of the design to stop the run.

But it isn't working.

maybe it's a lack of confidence in the defensive tackles... he thinks the linebackers need to jump inside to stuff the inside run.


but teams have started faking inside and bouncing outside. Our linebackers have been told (apparently) to really jump the inside stuff and to be "running downhill" at the snap of the ball.


it's killing our outside run defense.


this one change might be our biggest chance for improvement

[philfree]

I don't care what Mort says last year the scheme had alot to do with our defensive failings. Most obvious was the Colts game. Also something that has caught my attention is that the three players who seem to be guilty of making the same mistakes repeatedly were the free agents we picked up last year. They all play on the right side and the right side is our weakest point. To bad Fox is injured cause I think he'd do a better job then BArber is. As far not adding any players to the D people should read the roster.

PhilFree

[milkman]

Originally Posted by lazarus

maybe it's a lack of confidence in the defensive tackles... he thinks the linebackers need to jump inside to stuff the inside run.

Sims ahsn't yet lived up to the potential that got him selected at #6.
Browning, despite all the glowing words that Dick and Gun have for him is just pushed around on the inside, and Gun has to see that.

Having the LBs jump inside to cover that would be just the thing Gun would do.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Gaz

The “high ocatane O” has been conspicuously absent.

xoxo~
Gaz
Hopes Al and the Boyz clear that up on Sunday.

And the D is having to defend more than usual, good point.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by milkman

Sims ahsn't yet lived up to the potential that got him selected at #6.
Browning, despite all the glowing words that Dick and Gun have for him is just pushed around on the inside, and Gun has to see that.

Having the LBs jump inside to cover that would be just the thing Gun would do.

well then he needs to make an adjustment and just have the MLB jump the inside stuff.


leave the outside linebackers to flow naturally to the ball so we dont constantly get caught inside by cutback running and bootleg by the QB's.

[philfree]

Our linebackers have been told (apparently) to really jump the inside stuff and to be "running downhill" at the snap of the ball.

I think it's just Barber blowing his responsibility on the right side more then anything. I read DV saying it was the same indidvidual making the same mistake repeatedly. He didn't name anyone but Barber is the right side LB so it ain't to hard to figure.

PhilFree

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by philfree

I think it's just Barber blowing his responsibility on the right side more then anything. I read DV saying it was the same indidvidual making the same mistake repeatedly. He didn't name anyone but Barber is the right side LB so it ain't to hard to figure.

PhilFree

tape and watch the game instead of relying on Vermeil's press conferences (not meant to be a slam)


you can clearly see the linebackers moving forward BEFORE the snap.



its' like they have been told to read the play by formation and then get a headstart or something.

with a team like denver... who's offensive running plays are all designed with 2 different running lanes... jumping the play on a pre snap read is like playing russian roulette.

sooner or later the RB is going to chose the land that you didn't jump and it going to run for a week because of the lack of backside help.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by lazarus

tape and watch the game instead of relying on Vermeil's press conferences (not meant to be a slam)

I don't believe half the crap that Dick says, and I doubt the other half.

[philfree]

tape and watch the game instead of relying on Vermeil's press conferences

I watched the first game twice but with the new blackout rules I couldn't TIVO the 2nd. I was at the game and I've seen the highlights replayed enough. On the 71 yarder running play Barber just lets the RB run right past him. I think it's beginning to become apparent why he's floated around from team to team. He lacks dicipline. Now you are prolly right about crashing the line but it's the crashing in the wrong place that's causing the problems. Biting on fakes and leaving their responsibility is what killing the LBs IMO not the scheme.

PhilFree