News 17 dead after duck boat capsizes on Table Rock Lake - Page 20

cooper barrett · 07-25-2018, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'm starting to think that I shouldn't go on that new 250 foot tall duck boat waterslide ride in Kansas City.

Not without cameras installed in the tube.

Really. why were there at least one camera on a vehicle like this?

**TribalElder** · 07-25-2018, 07:38 AM

The problem was the decision to drive
Out on the lake

Now everyone is an armchair expert on duck boats

Sure shitty design but they never should have hit the water that day

KChiefs1 · 07-25-2018, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

The problem was the decision to drive
Out on the lake

Now everyone is an armchair expert on duck boats

Sure shitty design but they never should have hit the water that day

Exactly.

Bad decision making was the reason for the tragedy.

**luv** · 07-25-2018, 08:49 AM

Thought this was interesting. A response from a local news station regarding reaction to coverage.

https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/kol...age/1321674829

KOLR10 Insider: Questions and Comments Answered About Duck Boat Tragedy Coverage

No doubt it's been a tough time for everyone across the Ozarks as we've watched the tragedy unfold involving the duck boat fatalities and injuries at Table Rock Lake.

Our insider aims to answer your questions, comments and concerns about the content you see from KOLR 10 news.

We want to address some viewer messages regarding three aspects of our coverage of the Duck Boat Tragedy.

Let's begin with Thursday night, some of you were angry that we interrupted "Big Brother" to bring you breaking news details about the accident.

Teresa contacted us saying, "Shame on you for interrupting Big Brother for no news."

Christy wrote, "Are you kidding me?? you are breaking into programming to report a quote "boat issue"...Thanks a lot."

Ryan weighed in, "Do not interrupt public television for an accident on Table Rock Lake. That has nothing to do wth the general public, it can wait until 10."

Clearly it was much more than a "boat issue" and the general public has had a huge outcry of concern for the people affected by the tragedy.

KOLR10 News is a trusted gate-keeper of information. This story rose to a level that warranted interruption of regular programming. We were cautious and guarded -- and only reported what we had confirmed that night. If you're still upset about missing "Big Brother", episodes are available to watch at CBS.com.

Another issue that enraged some viewers was our airing of video, showing a woman, who was alive, on a stretcher shortly after the accident. It came to us from someone who was at the scene that night.

Lacey said to us, "The raw footage of the ducks accident seriously needs to be taken down. Victims are still unaccounted for."

Andrew shared, "please remove the video from the showboat out of respect for those injured in the incident and consider a public apology for the extreme disrespect and blatant disregard of decency."

After we aired the video on our news and posted it on our website and Facebook, we had a newsroom discussion that night and we took it down.

KOLR10 News Director Chuck Maulden explains why, "after we posted this, in the interest of providing as much information about the event, we saw that people were offended by it. And it was deemed too sensitive. And we're accountable to our local viewers. So when we saw that they thought that was too much, we decided we're going to delete that or edit that so it's a little more appropriate for our local audience. "

Finally, some were upset about our Friday night interview with survivor Tia Coleman, the Indiana woman who lost 9 members of her family Thursday night.

Jessica wrote in saying, "Shame on your reporter who bombarded that poor woman... Before she had even gotten out of the hospital. You guys make me sick... No compassion or morals."

Tia Coleman and her family reached out to KOLR10 News on Friday, asking that we come to the hospital so she could share her story.

No cameras would be allowed in the hospital without permission. We did not seek her out.

We understand emotions are running high regarding this horrific tragedy.

KOLR10 News works hard to bring you responsible coverage and we weigh ethical questions and concerns daily regarding this and any story we tell.

**Lzen** · 07-25-2018, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by luv

Thought this was interesting. A response from a local news station regarding reaction to coverage.

https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/kol...age/1321674829

KOLR10 Insider: Questions and Comments Answered About Duck Boat Tragedy Coverage

No doubt it's been a tough time for everyone across the Ozarks as we've watched the tragedy unfold involving the duck boat fatalities and injuries at Table Rock Lake.

Our insider aims to answer your questions, comments and concerns about the content you see from KOLR 10 news.

We want to address some viewer messages regarding three aspects of our coverage of the Duck Boat Tragedy.

Let's begin with Thursday night, some of you were angry that we interrupted "Big Brother" to bring you breaking news details about the accident.

Teresa contacted us saying, "Shame on you for interrupting Big Brother for no news."

Christy wrote, "Are you kidding me?? you are breaking into programming to report a quote "boat issue"...Thanks a lot."

Ryan weighed in, "Do not interrupt public television for an accident on Table Rock Lake. That has nothing to do wth the general public, it can wait until 10."

Clearly it was much more than a "boat issue" and the general public has had a huge outcry of concern for the people affected by the tragedy.

KOLR10 News is a trusted gate-keeper of information. This story rose to a level that warranted interruption of regular programming. We were cautious and guarded -- and only reported what we had confirmed that night. If you're still upset about missing "Big Brother", episodes are available to watch at CBS.com.

Another issue that enraged some viewers was our airing of video, showing a woman, who was alive, on a stretcher shortly after the accident. It came to us from someone who was at the scene that night.

Lacey said to us, "The raw footage of the ducks accident seriously needs to be taken down. Victims are still unaccounted for."

Andrew shared, "please remove the video from the showboat out of respect for those injured in the incident and consider a public apology for the extreme disrespect and blatant disregard of decency."

After we aired the video on our news and posted it on our website and Facebook, we had a newsroom discussion that night and we took it down.

KOLR10 News Director Chuck Maulden explains why, "after we posted this, in the interest of providing as much information about the event, we saw that people were offended by it. And it was deemed too sensitive. And we're accountable to our local viewers. So when we saw that they thought that was too much, we decided we're going to delete that or edit that so it's a little more appropriate for our local audience. "

Finally, some were upset about our Friday night interview with survivor Tia Coleman, the Indiana woman who lost 9 members of her family Thursday night.

Jessica wrote in saying, "Shame on your reporter who bombarded that poor woman... Before she had even gotten out of the hospital. You guys make me sick... No compassion or morals."

Tia Coleman and her family reached out to KOLR10 News on Friday, asking that we come to the hospital so she could share her story.

No cameras would be allowed in the hospital without permission. We did not seek her out.

We understand emotions are running high regarding this horrific tragedy.

KOLR10 News works hard to bring you responsible coverage and we weigh ethical questions and concerns daily regarding this and any story we tell.

Geez, wtf is wrong with people? Don't ever interrupt their viewing of a dumb reality show for a local tragedy or they will complain....hard.

**luv** · 07-25-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Geez, wtf is wrong with people? Don't ever interrupt their viewing of a dumb reality show for a local tragedy or they will complain....hard.

Yep. It's pretty sad when people get upset over a "reality" show getting interrupted by reality.

**Predarat** · 07-25-2018, 08:53 AM

This is so terribly sad, Branson has been a regular vacation spot for our family since I could walk. Though the Ducks were never a priority, maybe once every 3-4 times we vacationed there, I took my son and nephew on one just last year. What a horrific way to go. Seeing the video with the two Ducks it makes me wonder if the one that sunk was not as mechanically or structurally sound as it should have been, or it just got put into a rougher patch of water than the other and simply could not handle it. Still probably should not have been on the Lake, the 'out of nowhere, had no warning' crap is total bullshit. Feel so horrible for all those people and their families.

dj56dt58 · 07-25-2018, 10:25 AM

I heard on my local news states they are indeed looking at possible criminal charges

**Predarat** · 07-27-2018, 06:03 PM

NTSB releases initial review of video recordings on Branson Ride the Ducks boat that sank

BRANSON, Mo. -- The National Transportation Safety Board said Friday it has finished its initial review of the digital video recording system on board the Branson duck boat that sank in Table Rock Lake.

https://fox4kc.com/2018/07/27/ntsb-r...oat-that-sank/

**Dartgod** · 07-27-2018, 06:24 PM

Here's the actual timeline. So now we know that the boat entered the water well after the TS warning was issued and less than 15 minutes before it sank.

I think negligence can be pretty easily proven.

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About 18:27:08
The captain and driver boarded the previously empty vehicle. The driver sat in the driver’s seat and the captain sat in the side-facing seat to the right of the driver. (The captain operates the duck on water and the driver operates the duck on the road.)

About 18:28:00
The crew was told to take the water portion of the tour first, by an individual who briefly stepped onto the rear of the vehicle.

About 18:29:13
As the passengers were loading, the captain made a verbal reference to looking at the weather radar prior to the trip.

About 18:33:10
The driver stated a passenger count of 29 and shortly after, the vehicle departed the terminal facility. The captain narrated the tour while the vehicle was in motion.

Starting about 18:50
In the vicinity of the boat ramp, the captain began a safety briefing regarding the water portion of the tour. The briefing included the location of emergency exits as well as the location of the life jackets. The captain then demonstrated the use of a life jacket and pointed out the location of the life rings. The captain moved into the driver’s seat and the driver moved into the seat directly behind.

About 18:55:20
The captain announced to the passengers that they would be entering the water. The boat entered the water. The water appeared calm at this time.

Between about 18:56:22 and 19:00:38
The captain allowed four different children to sit in the driver’s seat, while he observed and assisted.

About 19:00:25
Whitecaps rapidly appeared on the water and winds increased.

About 19:00:42
The captain returned to the driver’s seat. The driver lowered both the port and starboard clear plastic side curtains.

About 19:01:01
The captain made a comment about the storm.

About 19:03:15
The captain made a handheld radio call, the content of which is currently unintelligible.

About 19:04:15
An electronic tone associated with the bilge alarm activated.

About 19:05:21
The captain reached downward with his right hand and the bilge alarm ceases.

About 19:05:40
The captain made a handheld radio call, the content of which is currently unintelligible.

In the final minutes of the recording
Water occasionally splashes inside the vehicle’s passenger compartment. (The low frame rate and relatively low resolution make it very difficult to be more precise in the preliminary review.)

About 19:07:26
An electronic tone associated with the bilge alarm activated.

19:08:27
The inward-facing recording ended, while the vehicle was still on the surface of the water.

http://www.kmbc.com/article/initial-...-sank/22578164

Deberg_1990 · 07-27-2018, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Here's the actual timeline. So now we know that the boat entered the water well after the TS warning was issued and less than 15 minutes before it sank.

I think negligence can be pretty easily proven.

Wow....what massive chain of disastrous decisions.

That company needs to go down in flames.

Who was the employee that told them to go into the water first?

Pitt Gorilla · 07-27-2018, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod

Here's the actual timeline. So now we know that the boat entered the water well after the TS warning was issued and less than 15 minutes before it sank.

I think negligence can be pretty easily proven.

Didn't we already know that? I think folks here put that together fairly early on.

**Dartgod** · 07-29-2018, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Didn't we already know that? I think folks here put that together fairly early on.

There was a lot of speculation about this but it was never reported. There was one guy who "thought he saw the duck headed towards the lake shortly before 7" but there was never anything official until this report came out. Not that I could find anyway.

JakeF · 07-28-2018, 03:56 PM

The boat didn't look completely enclosed. Why didn't people just swim out and up?

cooper barrett · 07-28-2018, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

The boat didn't look completely enclosed. Why didn't people just swim out and up?

I read somewhere that they released the roof at some time which happens to be where the preserves were attached.

07-25-2018, 07:38 AM	#2
TribalElder Arrowhead Trail of Tears Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: KansasCity Casino cash: $1210441	The problem was the decision to drive Out on the lake Now everyone is an armchair expert on duck boats Sure shitty design but they never should have hit the water that day
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07-25-2018, 08:49 AM	#4
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-180000	Thought this was interesting. A response from a local news station regarding reaction to coverage. https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/kol...age/1321674829 KOLR10 Insider: Questions and Comments Answered About Duck Boat Tragedy Coverage No doubt it's been a tough time for everyone across the Ozarks as we've watched the tragedy unfold involving the duck boat fatalities and injuries at Table Rock Lake. Our insider aims to answer your questions, comments and concerns about the content you see from KOLR 10 news. We want to address some viewer messages regarding three aspects of our coverage of the Duck Boat Tragedy. Let's begin with Thursday night, some of you were angry that we interrupted "Big Brother" to bring you breaking news details about the accident. Teresa contacted us saying, "Shame on you for interrupting Big Brother for no news." Christy wrote, "Are you kidding me?? you are breaking into programming to report a quote "boat issue"...Thanks a lot." Ryan weighed in, "Do not interrupt public television for an accident on Table Rock Lake. That has nothing to do wth the general public, it can wait until 10." Clearly it was much more than a "boat issue" and the general public has had a huge outcry of concern for the people affected by the tragedy. KOLR10 News is a trusted gate-keeper of information. This story rose to a level that warranted interruption of regular programming. We were cautious and guarded -- and only reported what we had confirmed that night. If you're still upset about missing "Big Brother", episodes are available to watch at CBS.com. Another issue that enraged some viewers was our airing of video, showing a woman, who was alive, on a stretcher shortly after the accident. It came to us from someone who was at the scene that night. Lacey said to us, "The raw footage of the ducks accident seriously needs to be taken down. Victims are still unaccounted for." Andrew shared, "please remove the video from the showboat out of respect for those injured in the incident and consider a public apology for the extreme disrespect and blatant disregard of decency." After we aired the video on our news and posted it on our website and Facebook, we had a newsroom discussion that night and we took it down. KOLR10 News Director Chuck Maulden explains why, "after we posted this, in the interest of providing as much information about the event, we saw that people were offended by it. And it was deemed too sensitive. And we're accountable to our local viewers. So when we saw that they thought that was too much, we decided we're going to delete that or edit that so it's a little more appropriate for our local audience. " Finally, some were upset about our Friday night interview with survivor Tia Coleman, the Indiana woman who lost 9 members of her family Thursday night. Jessica wrote in saying, "Shame on your reporter who bombarded that poor woman... Before she had even gotten out of the hospital. You guys make me sick... No compassion or morals." Tia Coleman and her family reached out to KOLR10 News on Friday, asking that we come to the hospital so she could share her story. No cameras would be allowed in the hospital without permission. We did not seek her out. We understand emotions are running high regarding this horrific tragedy. KOLR10 News works hard to bring you responsible coverage and we weigh ethical questions and concerns daily regarding this and any story we tell.
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07-25-2018, 08:53 AM	#7
Predarat Run Chiefs fans, run!! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Casino cash: $9973863	This is so terribly sad, Branson has been a regular vacation spot for our family since I could walk. Though the Ducks were never a priority, maybe once every 3-4 times we vacationed there, I took my son and nephew on one just last year. What a horrific way to go. Seeing the video with the two Ducks it makes me wonder if the one that sunk was not as mechanically or structurally sound as it should have been, or it just got put into a rougher patch of water than the other and simply could not handle it. Still probably should not have been on the Lake, the 'out of nowhere, had no warning' crap is total bullshit. Feel so horrible for all those people and their families.
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07-25-2018, 10:25 AM	#8
dj56dt58 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Missouri Casino cash: $9960055	I heard on my local news states they are indeed looking at possible criminal charges
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07-27-2018, 06:03 PM	#9
Predarat Run Chiefs fans, run!! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Casino cash: $9973863	NTSB releases initial review of video recordings on Branson Ride the Ducks boat that sank BRANSON, Mo. -- The National Transportation Safety Board said Friday it has finished its initial review of the digital video recording system on board the Branson duck boat that sank in Table Rock Lake. https://fox4kc.com/2018/07/27/ntsb-r...oat-that-sank/
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07-28-2018, 03:56 PM	#14
JakeF MVP Join Date: May 2017 Casino cash: $9990400	The boat didn't look completely enclosed. Why didn't people just swim out and up?
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