Mitch Holthus on Des Moines radio daily during camp...updates here - Page 20

htismaqe · 07:28 AM

8/18 Update posted by htismaqe
Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in.

Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell.

On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been.

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8/16 Update posted by jspchief
Talked about Gunther on the rampage.

Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up.

Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan.

Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team.

Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick.

Some scrub from ISU quit the team.

Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting.

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8/15 Update posted by htismaqe
The news is not good boys.

The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting.

Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks.

He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday.

Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing.
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8/12 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out.

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8/11 Update posted by htismaqe
Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news.

Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55).

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8/10 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's.

He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ.

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8/9 Update posted by htismaqe
Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams.

Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play.

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8/8 Update posted by htismaqe
Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too.

Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said.

Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion.

Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team.

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8/5 Update posted by htismaqe
Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except...

When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far.

Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field.

Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's.

That's about all I can remember.

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8/4 Update posted by jspchief
Talking LBs mostly.

Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position.

That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America.

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8/3 Update posted by htismaqe
Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews:

1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right.

2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too.

The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn.

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8/2 Update posted by htismaqe
Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later).

Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

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8/1 Update posted by htismaqe
I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there:

Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp

Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets.

That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken".

beer bacon · 08-05-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

increasing his playing time hurt dante's special teams play(he even says so)

and now it sounds like Bo is competing to increase his playing time at wide receiver. If Bo becomes the full time 3rd receiver or maybe even becomes the 2nd receiver, the chiefs need to pull him from most of his special teams duties.

If Bo wears down as easy as Dante then something is wrong. Also, their duties on special teams are not really all that comparable.

penchief · 08-05-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Part of that drop in the red zone has to do with Priest injured for half the season. Despite that LJ and Blaylock did great, Priest has a nose for the goal line.

I agree, somewhat. But....LJ can smell the goal line from 80 yards away. Plus, his goal line running late in the season was impressive. A couple of times I saw him get hit cold but he kept pumping his legs until he ran over the defensive player. The only thing I didn't like was his standing over the dude and giving him the business afterwards. I guess he was just showing his might.

I'm looking for big things from LJohnson this year.

Mr. Laz · 08-05-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

their duties on special teams are not really all that comparable.

why is that...

imo Bo prolly gets banged up MORE doing his special teams duties then Dante. There are many times dante doesn't even get tackled, but Bo always blocks/tackles etc.

penchief · 08-05-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I like Kirk Ferentz for a couple of reasons. He is a simple, fundamental type of coach. His teams are highly emphasized on building inside the trenches. If we had Kirk Ferentz here, I would expect good lines on both sides of the ball. That is where it all starts imo.

Marty?

htismaqe · 08-05-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by penchief

Marty?

Solid fundamentals like Marty, yes.

But when it's 1st and 10 on the 40 and you need 2 points to win, Ferentz goes for the deep post. When it's 28-14 at halftime, Ferentz doesn't go into a shell and allow one bounce of the ball to determine the outcome of the game.

patteeu · 08-05-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

increasing his playing time hurt dante's special teams play(he even says so)

and now it sounds like Bo is competing to increase his playing time at wide receiver. If Bo becomes the full time 3rd receiver or maybe even becomes the 2nd receiver, the chiefs need to pull him from most of his special teams duties.

OK, I see. Barring injury, I don't think either of those things are likely to happen. I don't think Bo will become a full time 3rd WR (or even less likely, a starter). My guess is that he wouldn't even make the team as a WR if that's all he had going for him. I'm expecting him to be a special teamer with a limited role in the offense just like his role the last few years. Of course, I'm no expert so it's all just guesswork.

**alanm** · 08-05-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not suggesting that Iowa State WILL win the North, just that they COULD and that they have just as good (if not better) chance as anybody else in an extremely shitty Big 12 North.

I think Colorado will win it. I'm guessing Nebraska will struggle to even finish in the top 50%, let alone win it.

You can't just casually discount talent. And Nebraska has had a major influx of just that as of yesterday.

They also happen to be a VERY pissed off team.

**ptlyon** · 08-05-2005, 12:29 PM

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Otter · 08-05-2005, 12:44 PM

I know alot of Penn State Alumni in my neck of the woods that would love to see "The Curse of the Penn State Running Back" Broken.

Damn, we got some backs from 1 to 3.

htismaqe · 08-05-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

You can't just casually discount talent. And Nebraska has had a major influx of just that as of yesterday.

They also happen to be a VERY pissed off team.

I'm certainly not discounting talent. But there's only a handful of coaches in the country that can do what Kevin Cosgrove did to that defense...

Mr. Laz · 08-05-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

OK, I see. Barring injury, I don't think either of those things are likely to happen. I don't think Bo will become a full time 3rd WR (or even less likely, a starter). My guess is that he wouldn't even make the team as a WR if that's all he had going for him. I'm expecting him to be a special teamer with a limited role in the offense just like his role the last few years. Of course, I'm no expert so it's all just guesswork.

okay... ya if he's just a spot player then load him on special teams, that's part of a spot players job. But people keep talking about how good his camp is going and how he can get back to being productive etc,etc.

if that happens i don't want him on special teams ... at least not very many of them.

**Saulbadguy** · 08-05-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm certainly not discounting talent. But there's only a handful of coaches in the country that can do what Kevin Cosgrove did to that defense...

Yeah, the defense was terrible with virtually the same personel. Fabian Washington, the Bullocks brothers, Barett Ruud..hell, it should have been a top 10 defense, talent wise.

They are now just known as "The Blackskirts".

htismaqe · 08-05-2005, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Yeah, the defense was terrible with virtually the same personel. Fabian Washington, the Bullocks brothers, Barett Ruud..hell, it should have been a top 10 defense, talent wise.

They are now just known as "The Blackskirts".

It was a top 10 defense the year before. They were like 110th in D-1 in defense last year. Count me as mystified.

Who knows, maybe they'll figure it out. Cosgrove doesn't have a very good track record though.

htismaqe · 08-08-2005, 07:27 AM

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**the Talking Can** · 08-08-2005, 07:44 AM

man that sucks about Tony...he and Trent are the two players we can't afford to lose...he's got time to rest, but feet problems are hard to heal (a pun!)...look at Shockey

08-01-2005, 07:23 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	Holthus on Des Moines radio...only caught part of it... 8/18 Update posted by htismaqe Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in. Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell. On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been. ------------------------------- 8/16 Update posted by jspchief Talked about Gunther on the rampage. Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up. Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan. Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team. Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick. Some scrub from ISU quit the team. Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting. ------------------------------- 8/15 Update posted by htismaqe The news is not good boys. The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting. Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks. He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday. Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing. ------------------------------- 8/12 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out. ------------------------------- 8/11 Update posted by htismaqe Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news. Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55). ------------------------------- 8/10 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's. He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ. ------------------------------- 8/9 Update posted by htismaqe Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams. Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play. ------------------------------- 8/8 Update posted by htismaqe Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too. Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said. Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion. Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team. ------------------------------- 8/5 Update posted by htismaqe Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except... When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far. Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field. Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's. That's about all I can remember. ------------------------------- 8/4 Update posted by jspchief Talking LBs mostly. Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position. That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America. ------------------------------- 8/3 Update posted by htismaqe Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews: 1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right. 2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too. The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn. ------------------------------- 8/2 Update posted by htismaqe Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later). Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing. He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead. ------------------------------- 8/1 Update posted by htismaqe I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there: Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets. That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken". 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