Chiefs Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation - Page 20

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-14-2009, 11:24 AM

Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from.

One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team."

Let me make this clear: I do not disagree.

However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse.

And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple:

The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation.

I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought.

Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization.

And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors.

Two. Out of forty-five.

That's a whopping 4% success rate.

I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players.

Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's.

Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's.

And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC.

With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players.

Let the excuses flow like fine wine.

Discus.

This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.

**dirk digler** · 12-16-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I don't have blind faith in Pioli but I'm still on board with what I think to be his plan. IMO you can't really judge what Pioli's successes are at this point in his tenure in KC. He's done what he's said he was gonna do. Build it from the bottom up.

PhilFree

I just don't get all the negative nancy's 11 months into a new regime. I could understand and probably join them if this was year 3 but he inherited a shitty organization and roster it is going to take some time.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

I don't have blind faith in Pioli but I'm still on board with what I think to be his plan. IMO you can't really judge what Pioli's successes are at this point in his tenure in KC. He's done what he's said he was gonna do. Build it from the bottom up.

PhilFree

Ok, but you really haven't addressed the question.

What has he started to build? Are there any new pieces to the foundation? Does a 5 tech count? The kicker?

The puddle of mud is enough? At least that ugly ass house isn't here any longer?

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

If you were the GM, and you felt that you could spend over one hundered million on a few free agents and maybe get this team to 5 or 6 wins, would you have? What would you have done, and how many wins do you think it would translate into this season?

Six wins would have been progress.

Brown, Haynesworth and Canty would have been valuable to the team down the road, too.

Totally worth it.

Chief Faithful · 12-16-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ok, so Pioli has taken a lot of heat from some of the posters in this thread, but let's ask a more specific question to those whose faith is still unwavering:

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

Ok, you guys of faith, stand right here against this wall infront of the painted bulls eye and whatever you do don't move. Here, to show my good intention, have a cigarette.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Pioli fired Herm Edwards. Remember how awesome that was?

Then he hired a guy who makes Herm look like a genius.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:53 PM

Would Herm have won 3 games this season?

Have we won because of Haley? Or in spite of him?

beach tribe · 12-16-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

You made claims in this very thread that I have disputed.

Funny how you are unwilling or unable to address them.

I don't have time to read through the thread right now, and I don't know exactly what you are referring to.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:54 PM

Just for the record Chris Canty was significantly cheaper than the guy we took 3rd overall to do the same thing.

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would Herm have won 3 games this season?

Have we won because of Haley? Or in spite of him?

I don't know how anyone could watch these games and say we upgraded coach, Haley makes Herm look like a game management God.

Rooster · 12-16-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I just don't get all the negative nancy's 11 months into a new regime. I could understand and probably join them if this was year 3 but he inherited a shitty organization and roster it is going to take some time.

I think it is a generation thing. It's an instant reward type world some grew up in. If you can line up a bunch of digital shit on a video game you should be able to do the same in the real world.

**DeezNutz** · 12-16-2009, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Ok, you guys of faith, stand right here against this wall infront of the painted bulls eye and whatever you do don't move. Here, to show my good intention, have a cigarette.

I think it's a legitimate question, don't you?

What has Pioli done well? That's not fair?

ChiefsCountry · 12-16-2009, 01:55 PM

Pioli saw all the close games last year thought if I bring in my QB and switch to the 3-4 we could win games.

Chief Faithful · 12-16-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Six wins would have been progress.

Brown, Haynesworth and Canty would have been valuable to the team down the road, too.

Totally worth it.

What ever it cost for Brown, Haynesworth and Canty add 25% for them to come to KC. Is it still worth it?

Mecca · 12-16-2009, 01:56 PM

Dude "negative nancies" at least from my point on this is I don't think expecting 1 or even 2 foundation players the first year is asking to much and we got none. I could give 2 shits about the record that wasn't what it was about this year but he acquired nothing to build upon got that, NOTHING.

Fish · 12-16-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would Herm have won 3 games this season?

Have we won because of Haley? Or in spite of him?

Those are actually pretty legit questions that put this in perspective...

12-14-2009, 11:24 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2021115	Why people are disappointed: Exhibit A - Talent Evaluation Since there seems to be several myths, excuses and some flat-out lies about why some folks are pissed off about this team right now, I thought I'd put together a few threads explaining, as clearly as I can, where people are coming from. One of the bigger excuses is the infamous, "Pioli inherited a shitty team." Let me make this clear: I do not disagree. However, that doesn't excuse the Executive of the Decade for the team being no better now than it was this time last year - and you could make an argument that it is worse. And one of the reasons why this team still sucks is simple: The Executive of the Decade missed BADLY on talent evaluation. I just spent a few minutes researching the transactions Pioli has made since taking the job, and it's even worse than I originally thought. Counting draft picks, trades and signings, Pioli is responsible for FORTY FIVE new players to this organization. And of these 45, it's fair to say that only Succop and Chambers are clear upgrades to their predecessors. Two. Out of forty-five. That's a whopping 4% success rate. I'm sorry, but blaming Herm here is ridiculous. The best players on this team are Herm's players. Looking at the current roster - including the active roster, PS and IR - 54% of the players currently in this organization are Pioli's. Exactly half of the current starting 22 are Pioli's. And this team is ONE win better than a 2008 squad that featured Tyler ****ing Thigpen at QB, and employed Gunther Cunningham as the DC. With the majority being Pioli's hand-picked players. Let the excuses flow like fine wine. Discus. This ought to be fun - let's hit that Millionth post.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Just for the record Chris Canty was significantly cheaper than the guy we took 3rd overall to do the same thing.
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12-16-2009, 01:56 PM	#299
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Dude "negative nancies" at least from my point on this is I don't think expecting 1 or even 2 foundation players the first year is asking to much and we got none. I could give 2 shits about the record that wasn't what it was about this year but he acquired nothing to build upon got that, NOTHING.
Posts: 115,406