*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

[rico]

I can't be the only wrestling fan on this site. In fact, I know I that's not the case. The almighty king of n00bs, Sorter, is a wrestling fan. I figure there could be more.....????

Discuss anything wrestling related:

Youth wrestling: Heck, wrestling in Iowa has a rabid Youth wrestling scene...I lived through it, my younger brother lived through it and my brothers who are 15 and 13 are living through it, well the 13 year old is anyway...he's in high school. The 13 year old is a 7th grader who has been wrestling since he was 5 years old and has accumulated 4 state championships since his second grade year...a total badass. Believe it or not, Iowa has a youth wrestling forum that is hopping...even during the summer. Iowans take this stuff seriously. I'm assuming other states have rabid youth followings, for when I watch my bros at National tourneys, we are constantly running into kids and super clubs from other states that are amazing. Ironically, one of the biggest youth tourneys our club hits annually is the Park Hill Individual and Dual tournament...which to my knowledge is in Kansas City (I've never attended that one). Do any of you have kids who are wrestling? If so, how are they doing?

High School Wrestling: High school and college wrestling in Iowa is big... we are known for it, ask AC Slater. State tournament is a big, televised event at the Wells Fargo dome...you will see probably 10 times more spectators at state wrestling in Iowa then any other high school sporting event in Iowa. With some of the crazy talent I have seen/wrestled against at Fargo Nationals, I am assuming that it's either on the rise or just as big in other states as well... What are your thoughts on some of the high school wrestlers and/or teams out there?

College Wrestling: Hell, you Missourians semi-recently had those Askren brothers. I've never met Max, but have met Ben. He was the celebrity guest at Iowa Grade School State one year...he signed autographs and handed the medals and wall charts to all of the kids on the podium that year, which was cool because my youngest brother won it that year and was able to get his championship singlet signed by him. I was with my brother when he approached him....Askren struck me as a funny, goofy type of dude. I don't know Max, but someone posted his blog on an Iowa wrestling message board and the dude seems like a character. I know there are some Oklahomans' who post on this board. Anyone see Okie State defeat Iowa this past weekend? Iowa's first dual loss of the year. Anyone have any thoughts on college wrestling?

International Wrestling: Any of you have any thoughts on the international wrestling scene? Future Olympians, future Olympic champs, future World champs, Greco, Freestyle, etc.?

Wrestling Memories/General Discussion: Any of you have any memories you'd like to share from your personal experience(s) of wrestling when you were in youth, high school or college? Any opinions on females wrestling with males. Last year, a girl named Megan Black made history in Iowa by placing at state. Do you believe females should be able to wrestle with males at that age? Any thoughts on weight cutting? What are some of the most memorable matches to you? Who are your favorite wrestlers? One match that always sticks out to me is this:



Crazy match.

My favorite wrestler (besides my bros and former teammates) of all time is ironically not an Iowan. I don't really have a favorite team in wrestling...I root for individuals. It's a dude from Ohio that I initially hated because I didn't like the way he conducted himself after a match vs. my brother in the national duals when he and my brother were Seniors in High School, in which he defeated my brother. Kid was cocky. He and my brother both went on to wrestle D1, so I followed him since I knew who he was. I ended up becoming a huge fan of the kid's style...the kid could hit cradles from ANY position. He went on to win 2 National titles for Ohio State...and did so both years as an underdog, for he'd lose quite a few silly matches during the season, presumably due to his risky, but dangerous style that worked well for him at NCAA Nationals. It's a dude named Jeff Jaggers. First vid is what really put his name on the map as a high school wrestler. 2nd vid is his 1st NCAA championship as a Junior, in a match where he was a huge underdog, broke his ankle during the match and gutted it out and won. My favorite wrestlers tend to be the ones who are risk takers or brawlers...not afraid to be aggressive or take chances. I can't stand stallish wrestlers who are successful as hell simply because they don't open up and therefore don't give up points and score their own points by capitalizing on the other wrestler's aggression. Boring.






So what ya got?

Note: I have been posting on wrestling message boards for 12 years and I (and I'm sure everyone else involved with the sport) have heard every wrestling joke (rolling around with men, etc.) imaginable, but if ya want to clown on the sport, shoot... it was inevitable to happen anyways on CP, so have at it!

[rico]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

rico,

What are the chances that Cox would have success at HWT next year? How much weight would he need to put on? Should he just try to stay at 197?

I had a parent of a big 197 recruit who is considering MU, but hasn't signed anywhere yet, ask me the same thing about Cox a couple days ago. My answer to him was that he would have to gain more than he is probably capable of in order to be nearly as competitive as he is at 197. The thing about these HWT's is that the maximum weight is 285 lbs...and the majority of your dominant heavyweights cut some weight to get down to 285. So basically, there is a jump in weight in the heaviest 2 weights from 197 to 285...which I've always thought was pretty silly. I've always thought there should be a 220-230 lb range weight. Heck, in HS it goes 182, 195, 220, 285... And Cox is a very big 197...probably has to cut a pretty decent amount of weight himself...I think he won it at 220 his Senior season. He's probably in kind of a crappy "tweener" situation with his weight.

[GloryDayz]

I hope a meteor hits OSU's campus!

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

I had a parent of a big 197 recruit who is considering MU, but hasn't signed anywhere yet, ask me the same thing about Cox a couple days ago. My answer to him was that he would have to gain more than he is probably capable of in order to be nearly as competitive as he is at 197. The thing about these HWT's is that the maximum weight is 285 lbs...and the majority of your dominant heavyweights cut some weight to get down to 285. So basically, there is a jump in weight in the heaviest 2 weights from 197 to 285...which I've always thought was pretty silly. I've always thought there should be a 220-230 lb range weight. Heck, in HS it goes 182, 195, 220, 285... And Cox is a very big 197...probably has to cut a pretty decent amount of weight himself...I think he won it at 220 his Senior season. He's probably in kind of a crappy "tweener" situation with his weight.

This just isn't true. Look at the AAs and you won't find a full heavy. Many of the top 285s wrestled 220 in HS... guys like Coon, Medberry, Walz, Marsden, Gwiz, etc. Telford is probably the biggest and he is maybe 270. Lawson is maybe 260 and McMullan may weigh as little as 235. Tony Nelson is another former 220 who won a couple of national titles who wrestled well under the limit.

Cox has wrestled a little 285 this year and he would easily be a top 3 guy at that weight. If his normal weight is 215 right now, he could be 240-245 by next season. Look at how Blaize Cabell has used his athleticism to thrive at Heavyweight despite his size. He was a marginal wrestler at 184 and now he is a top 15 guy.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by rico

I had a parent of a big 197 recruit who is considering MU, but hasn't signed anywhere yet, ask me the same thing about Cox a couple days ago. My answer to him was that he would have to gain more than he is probably capable of in order to be nearly as competitive as he is at 197. The thing about these HWT's is that the maximum weight is 285 lbs...and the majority of your dominant heavyweights cut some weight to get down to 285. So basically, there is a jump in weight in the heaviest 2 weights from 197 to 285...which I've always thought was pretty silly. I've always thought there should be a 220-230 lb range weight. Heck, in HS it goes 182, 195, 220, 285... And Cox is a very big 197...probably has to cut a pretty decent amount of weight himself...I think he won it at 220 his Senior season. He's probably in kind of a crappy "tweener" situation with his weight.

What happened to him in this tournament? Did he just have a bad 24 hour period, or did it reveal some weaknesses in his style?

Is he big enough that he could struggle at 197 because he is weight drained?

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

This just isn't true. Look at the AAs and you won't find a full heavy. Many of the top 285s wrestled 220 in HS... guys like Coon, Medberry, Walz, Marsden, Gwiz, etc. Telford is probably the biggest and he is maybe 270. Lawson is maybe 260 and McMullan may weigh as little as 235. Tony Nelson is another guy who won a couple of national titles who wrestled well under the limit.

Cox has wrestled a little 285 this year and he would easily be a top 3 guy at that weight. If his normal weight is 215 right now, he could easily be 240-245 by next season. Look at how Blaize Cabell has used his athleticism to thrive at Heavyweight despite his size. He was a marginal wrestler at 184 and now he is a top 15 guy.

Do you think Cox would be as competitive at HWT as he would 197? That was my main thing...I just am skeptical that he would be as competitive at HWT as he is at 197, but you know J'Den better than I do...so I'd feel silly arguing with you about it. Do you think they should add a 220 lb class?

Cabell is a good example...man was he ever a beast in HS...both in terms of physical appearance and being a total beast of a wrestler.

[rico]

Zeke Moisey is a breath of fresh air...just fearless.

[GloryDayz]

#13 is putting on a clinic so far..

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What happened to him in this tournament? Did he just have a bad 24 hour period, or did it reveal some weaknesses in his style?

Is he big enough that he could struggle at 197 because he is weight drained?

197 was just stacked at the top. You could wrestle this weight next week and you'd get different results. McIntosh is a former #1 overall recruit and Snyder was as well. Snyder is a Junior World Champion and that means something because the US is only like the 4th or 5th best wrestling country. I think he should move up to 285 because I don't think Miklus can continue to make 184. Plus they don't have many options with Mellon graduating.

[GloryDayz]

Nice.........................

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by rico

Do you think Cox would be as competitive at HWT as he would 197? That was my main thing...I just am skeptical that he would be as competitive at HWT as he is at 197, but you know J'Den better than I do...so I'd feel silly arguing with you about it. Do you think they should add a 220 lb class?

Cabell is a good example...man was he ever a beast in HS...both in terms of physical appearance and being a total beast of a wrestler.

Cabell is scary as ****.

Cox is just too strong and athletic to not be great at 285. He already wrestles at a slow pace, so I'm confident that he knows how to pick and choose his scoring opportunities. He's not just going to get himself caught underneath big dudes all the time.

There is some risk, I guess, since he's a guaranteed top 3 guy at 197 next year... But I think he'd be fine. He used to beat Coon in HS.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Brewer is from Missouri. Would have filled in nicely for the Tigers at 133

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

197 was just stacked at the top. You could wrestle this weight next week and you'd get different results. McIntosh is a former #1 overall recruit and Snyder was as well. Snyder is a Junior World Champion and that means something because the US is only like the 4th or 5th best wrestling country. I think he should move up to 285 because I don't think Miklus can continue to make 184. Plus they don't have many options with Mellon graduating.

I'm guessing that, based on Missouri's inability to offer full scholarships, they develop overlooked wrestlers rather than pick elite ones.

Is that true? How has Smith built up the program?

How long will it be before they have another team that can compete at nationals?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Tomasello would make a great lesbian

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Tomasello would make a great lesbian

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Port gets injured against Steiber.
Cox gets his eye poked against Snyder
Moisey gets his knee wrenched against Tomasello

I'm noticing a pattern.