In case anyone hadn't decided on the KC Star yet

[DJ's left nut]

They're doubling down and hiding behind an 'editorial board' byline so nobody has to put their name on this shit.

https://amp.kansascity.com/opinion/e...mpression=true

Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.

It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.

Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.

And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.

“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”

That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.

But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.


When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.

On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.

The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:

Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.

On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.

Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.

What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.

If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.

To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?

[Hammock Parties]

that line about KCTV5 "not immediately" releasing the full tape is a load of horseshit, too

they were NEVER going to release it

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

What about the people that leave what looks like a $20, but it has bible verses on the other side? Had a gf in college that got one of those beauties.

I assume that they're headed to straight to hell, so that's already taken care of.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Do you have a bone through your nose?

Right now? No, I'm at work.

[JohnnyV13]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Right now? No, I'm at work.

Good professional decision. While some might accuse me of racism or cultural bias, I would very much question the ability of a marketing consultant to relate to mainstream American consumers if they were wearing a bone through their nose during our meeting.

[Sorce]

I'm sorry but if you work for a company that does something you don't stand for you have a choice to make a stand. If you don't then you are condoning their stance.

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[Kiimo]

I work for Fox.

Should I walk out?

[Sorce]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I work for Fox.

Should I walk out?

If you feel you need to.

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[Hammock Parties]

look at KCTV and the Star defending each other

[Kiimo]

What a douche

Here's something YOU might find interesting, Patrick.

*finger*

[pugsnotdrugs19]

“I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired.”

Yeah... well we aren’t the ones who almost ruined a guy’s ****ing reputation, career, and long term well-being with complete and total ignorance & negligence.

If I do anything like they have in my line of work, I’m a G-O-N-E-R. No questions asked.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by Sorce

I'm sorry but if you work for a company that does something you don't stand for you have a choice to make a stand. If you don't then you are condoning their stance.

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Everybody would be unemployed.....

[Kiimo]

lol I'm convinced somebody voted down my post because they didn't know which Patrick I was talking about. Who would side with that guy?

Who registered in the last ten minutes?

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

“I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired.”

Yeah... well we aren’t the ones who almost ruined a guy’s ****ing reputation, career, and long term well-being with complete and total ignorance & negligence.

If I do anything like they have in my line of work, I’m a G-O-N-E-R. No questions asked.

Yeah, that's a really weird response. These people just don't get it. From top to bottom, they simply don't get it. That organization is in deep trouble, whether this incident is the death knell or not.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

look at KCTV and the Star defending each other

Talk about tone deaf.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

look at KCTV and the Star defending each other

"I suspect that you would not appreciate me calling your employer demanding that you be fired".

Maybe he now knows how Tyreek must feel when the KC Star and other fake news outlets have been calling for Tyreek's employer (the Chiefs/NFL) to fire him.