Football Off-season WR possibilities - Page 20

Reerun_KC · 12-24-2023, 03:27 PM

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

staylor26 · 12-28-2023, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

I'm so sick of the Super Bowl argument...it doesn't "shit on my argument"...it was a tremendous accomplishment, yes. If it was proof of anything, you'd see it this year and this year proves that wasn't the right move.

Should the Ravens have kept Trent Dilfer and made him the face of their franchise since he was the QB of the Super Bowl winners? Apparently so...don't talk about all the other factors that went into that SB, that means that works.

I think a lot of Chiefs fans need to come to grips that last year was a heist...and I don't even mean that in a negative way but if we're all being honest, that wasn't our Super Bowl to win. We stole one like the Rams stole the Super Bowl in 21/22 when the Chiefs were clearly the best team.

I'm not bitching about Tyreek...I was making the point that when you trade that guy, you're clearly pivoting away from an offensive powerhouse of a team WHICH THEY DID.

How's this year working out for that? You don't think it'd be any different next year if they neglect the offense again?

Translation:

"The Chiefs lucked into the SB, and it had little to do with the moves they made including the Tyreek trade, so I'm not going to give the FO in particular much credit."

What a load of shit. The Chiefs had the best overall draft in the history of the franchise, and many of those guys played a huge role in that SB run. It worked last year. It didn't this year. That's the only thing both sides need to come to grips with.

staylor26 · 12-28-2023, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Look at the Ravens.

Now explain why their high paid QB is allowed to have weapon after weapon after weapon and our QB cannot get even basic dudes who can play in the NFL.

Or how their 4th or 5th WR in Duvernay who normally does not play is BETTER than our highest paid WR?

This dumbass doesn't understand that Lamar's extension had very little impact on this year's cap, hence why they were able to give OBJ a fairly big one year deal. That's the only guy that they spent money on.

The other was a draft pick, with a pick significantly higher than the Chiefs, who isn't any more productive than Rice.

duncan_idaho · 12-28-2023, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Look at the Ravens.

Now explain why their high paid QB is allowed to have weapon after weapon after weapon and our QB cannot get even basic dudes who can play in the NFL.

Or how their 4th or 5th WR in Duvernay who normally does not play is BETTER than our highest paid WR?

The Ravens flipped that in one off-season. One draft pick (their third first round WR in the past 4 years and the first one who actually landed) and mid-tier FA signing.

Before that; the complaints were always that they didn’t have enough weapons.

Last year, the Chiefs had enough weapons. The mix of the room worked because MVS was a credible enough big-play guy to keep defenses deep and the dependable possession guy was productive as a complement to Kelce. They were the best offense in the league.

This year’s plan at WR didn’t work, but a lot of things went wrong for that to happen. MVS regressing. No progression from Moore. Early injury to Kelce. James getting hurt. Toney got hurt and flaked.

It’s frustrating, but people are WAY too emotional about this on here.

staylor26 · 12-28-2023, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The Ravens flipped that in one off-season. One draft pick (their third first round WR in the past 4 years and the first one who actually landed) and mid-tier FA signing.

Before that; the complaints were always that they didn’t have enough weapons.

Last year, the Chiefs had enough weapons. The mix of the room worked because MVS was a credible enough big-play guy to keep defenses deep and the dependable possession guy was productive as a complement to Kelce. They were the best offense in the league.

This year’s plan at WR didn’t work, but a lot of things went wrong for that to happen. MVS regressing. No progression from Moore. Early injury to Kelce. James getting hurt. Toney got hurt and flaked.

It's frustrating, but people are WAY too emotional about this on here.

Nail on the head.

MahomesMagic · 12-28-2023, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

The Ravens flipped that in one off-season. One draft pick (their third first round WR in the past 4 years and the first one who actually landed) and mid-tier FA signing.

Before that; the complaints were always that they didn’t have enough weapons.

Last year, the Chiefs had enough weapons. The mix of the room worked because MVS was a credible enough big-play guy to keep defenses deep and the dependable possession guy was productive as a complement to Kelce. They were the best offense in the league.

This year’s plan at WR didn’t work, but a lot of things went wrong for that to happen. MVS regressing. No progression from Moore. Early injury to Kelce. James getting hurt. Toney got hurt and flaked.

It’s frustrating, but people are WAY too emotional about this on here.

Hollywood landed. They then traded him away and got another pick to use after he was productive as their #1 WR in a run-based offense.

Last year the Chiefs didn't have weapons. They had Kelce who is a HOF unicorn that was already on the roster when Veach took over 6 years ago.

Veach then traded his HOF #1 WR away. So that's subtraction and used that to build defense.

He signed JuJu who was a good bandaid and functional but I would not call that a weapon.

If the plan was to tread water then you don't let your #1 WR from your SB team walk and not replace. Not only did Veach decline to do that in FA (he spent the money for a JuJu resign/replacement on more defense) but he refused to add at trade deadline when it was obvious the plan was broken.

We went into the year with no #1 or #2 WR. That's negligence on a SB contender.

duncan_idaho · 12-28-2023, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Nail on the head.

It's also worth pointing out that the plan for the defense worked, in spades.

Omenihu has been great and impactful. Edwards and Tranquill have proven to be awesome additions. Jones has continued to make plays while demanding double teams and is a game-wrecker.

Things on the offensive side of the shuffle haven't worked out, but just ONE of the WR things being a positive instead of a negative (MVS is the same, or Moore steps forward, or Toney steps forward, or James is healthy and upgrades his production) changes the view of things so much.

KC is 8-6 with 4 losses that swung on one play (DET, GB, BUF, PHI). And people are acting like they need to blow it up.

MahomesMagic · 12-28-2023, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's also worth pointing out that the plan for the defense worked, in spades.

Omenihu has been great and impactful. Edwards and Tranquill have proven to be awesome additions. Jones has continued to make plays while demanding double teams and is a game-wrecker.

Things on the offensive side of the shuffle haven't worked out, but just ONE of the WR things being a positive instead of a negative (MVS is the same, or Moore steps forward, or Toney steps forward, or James is healthy and upgrades his production) changes the view of things so much.

KC is 8-6 with 4 losses that swung on one play (DET, GB, BUF, PHI). And people are acting like they need to blow it up.

Yes, if the goal was to build the best defense possible it worked. If you look at the cost to do so which was trading away your #1WR, letting your new #1 WR then walk, and using your first round pick on a defensive player that is just depth and also not helping your offense then was it worth breaking your #1 elite offense to get marginally better on D?

Because I think the D from 2022 to 2023 gets better with almost no attention this offseason as we had young, cheap talent going into Year 2 where players normally make a jump.

duncan_idaho · 12-28-2023, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Hollywood landed. They then traded him away and got another pick to use after he was productive as their #1 WR in a run-based offense.

Last year the Chiefs didn't have weapons. They had Kelce who is a HOF unicorn that was already on the roster when Veach took over 6 years ago.

Veach then traded his HOF #1 WR away. So that's subtraction and used that to build defense.

He signed JuJu who was a good bandaid and functional but I would not call that a weapon.

If the plan was to tread water then you don't let your #1 WR from your SB team walk and not replace. Not only did Veach decline to do that in FA (he spent the money for a JuJu resign/replacement on more defense) but he refused to add at trade deadline when it was obvious the plan was broken.

We went into the year with no #1 or #2 WR. That's negligence on a SB contender.

Funny that a team without "Weapons" led the leaguye in yards, and points, and 1st downs, was second in 3rd down percentage, and #1 in a bunch of advanced stats.

The plan was to tread water by throwing numbers at replacing Smith-Schuster.

THERE. :CLAP: WAS :CLAP: NO :CLAP: TRADE :CLAP: TO :CLAP: BE :CLAP: MADE :CLAP: AT :CLAP: THE :CLAP: DEADLINE.

Other than the one the Chiefs did make - bringing back someone who had been a useful weapon in this offense and could quickly get up to speed.

But this whole "They should have traded for a WR!" thing some of you keep hammering is like me shouting "I should have hooked up with Alexandra Daddario!"

Red Dawg · 12-28-2023, 06:55 PM

It's going to be a real challenge to build a power house for any team with an expensive QB. Brady was cheaper by a lot in 22.

MahomesMagic · 12-28-2023, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Funny that a team without "Weapons" led the leaguye in yards, and points, and 1st downs, was second in 3rd down percentage, and #1 in a bunch of advanced stats.

The plan was to tread water by throwing numbers at replacing Smith-Schuster.

THERE. :CLAP: WAS :CLAP: NO :CLAP: TRADE :CLAP: TO :CLAP: BE :CLAP: MADE :CLAP: AT :CLAP: THE :CLAP: DEADLINE.

Other than the one the Chiefs did make - bringing back someone who had been a useful weapon in this offense and could quickly get up to speed.

But this whole "They should have traded for a WR!" thing some of you keep hammering is like me shouting "I should have hooked up with Alexandra Daddario!"

That's just silly. How do you know there was no trade to be made? Your feelings? We know that Veach and Reid flat out said they didn't call anyone or inquire because they wanted to develop Skyy Moore!

We also know players like Jerry Jeudy were being shopped but that teams weren't offering what they wanted. Now I'm using that as an example but that's how it works. If you offer the right team not competing enough most will part with someone we could use.

We didn't try AND we didn't have the $$$ ready to do so.

That is not a good look to not be ready to improve your team when you employ a risky No WR build.

Now you say well we were great last year with Kelce and JuJu so that's the formula. If that is true, they didn't bother to replicate the formula as they took more $$$$ from the offense and used it on defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster.

staylor26 · 12-28-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes, if the goal was to build the best defense possible it worked. If you look at the cost to do so which was trading away your #1WR, letting your new #1 WR then walk, and using your first round pick on a defensive player that is just depth and also not helping your offense then was it worth breaking your #1 elite offense to get marginally better on D?

Because I think the D from 2022 to 2023 gets better with almost no attention this offseason as we had young, cheap talent going into Year 2 where players normally make a jump.

*downplays the value of a great defense while sucking the Ravens dick endlessly as if their "weapons" are the reason they're on top of the AFC*

Hint: Lamar has 19 passing TDs to Mahomes' 26.

The biggest difference offensively is that their offense isn't constantly shooting themsevles in the foot. That's it.

staylor26 · 12-28-2023, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That's just silly. How do you know there was no trade to be made? Your feelings? We know that Veach and Reid flat out said they didn't call anyone or inquire because they wanted to develop Skyy Moore!

We also know players like Jerry Jeudy were being shopped but that teams weren't offering what they wanted. Now I'm using that as an example but that's how it works. If you offer the right team not competing enough most will part with someone we could use.

We didn't try AND we didn't have the $$$ ready to do so.

That is not a good look to not be ready to improve your team when you employ a risky No WR build.

Now you say well we were great last year with Kelce and JuJu so that's the formula. If that is true, they didn't bother to replicate the formula as they took more $$$$ from the offense and used it on defensive depth with no #1 or #2 WR on the roster.

Hiw do YOU know there was, dipshit? Your feelings?

DRM08 · 12-28-2023, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Yes, if the goal was to build the best defense possible it worked. If you look at the cost to do so which was trading away your #1WR, letting your new #1 WR then walk, and using your first round pick on a defensive player that is just depth and also not helping your offense then was it worth breaking your #1 elite offense to get marginally better on D?

Because I think the D from 2022 to 2023 gets better with almost no attention this offseason as we had young, cheap talent going into Year 2 where players normally make a jump.

I think they have allocated enough resources to the WR group, but the players have turned out to be busts in various ways (Toney, Skyy, MVS in particular). I don’t think the answer is throwing more resources at the situation. They just have to find the right guys. Place stronger emphasis on good hands & proper route-running.

MahomesMagic · 12-28-2023, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

I think they have allocated enough resources to the WR group, but the players have turned out to be busts in various ways (Toney, Skyy, MVS in particular). I don’t think the answer is throwing more resources at the situation. They just have to find the right guys. Place stronger emphasis on good hands & proper route-running.

Even if you want to do this defensive build/Make Mahomes lift JAGS build, all they had to do was add ONE good vet WR.

And they didn't bother.

One 10 million dollar or so cap hit or how about OBJ which Duncan called a "mid-tier" signing.

Yeah, sign me up for that because you add one good vet WR like a DHop or OBJ plus Rice emerging as useful and we walk to the AFC Championship.

For all the mistakes it was not that far away but they had to cut, cut, cut to the bone on $$$$ for WR's for no reason.

**notorious** · 12-28-2023, 07:09 PM

The Ravens have done jack shit in the post season.

Let's wait a bit before rating their drafts and talent.

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