***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Going to a mall doesn't sound like a good idea.

This post could be made at any point in the last 10 years and still be accurate.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

6,839 deaths in NY City. 3 were under the age of 18.

[O.city]

I would like to see the data set up to show actual date of death/positive test etc and see how that looks charted out.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

I would like to see the data set up to show actual date of death/positive test etc and see how that looks charted out.

It's going to skew low because many people aren't/weren't getting tested until being admitted to the hospital.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's going to skew low because many people aren't/weren't getting tested until being admitted to the hospital.

If you look at Sweden's actual death date data, it shows a nice epidemic curve. IIRC, same in the UK and a few other countries over there. Just interested if it's happening here as well.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by wazu

6,839 deaths in NY City. 3 were under the age of 18.

It's 14,928 in NYC, with 10 under 18 dead, and another 52-62 presenting with what they are calling pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome, that doesn't appear to present for a month to six weeks after initial infection.

You're also ignoring the possibility of asymptomatic cases starting other clusters of COVID.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's 14,928 in NYC, with 10 under 18 dead, and another 52-62 presenting with what they are calling pediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome, that doesn't appear to present for a month to six weeks after initial infection.

You're also ignoring the possibility of asymptomatic cases starting other clusters of COVID.

Yes, seeing the date was from April 14th on the Worldometer site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/


Also glad to know that the overall ratio has gone way down from even that. And no, I'm not ignoring the possibility that a virus might still spread. I think people who are either in high risk categories, or who come into contact with others in high risk categories, should take appropriate measures to protect themselves and their loved ones. Those not meeting that criteria should live their lives.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by wazu

Yes, seeing the date was from April 14th on the Worldometer site: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/


Also glad to know that the overall ratio has gone way down from even that. And no, I'm not ignoring the possibility that a virus might still spread. I think people who are either in high risk categories, or who come into contact with others in high risk categories, should take appropriate measures to protect themselves and their loved ones. Those not meeting that criteria should live their lives.

I guess math isn't a strong suit.

[O.city]

The pediatric syndrome is a weird one. It’s not really happening anywhere else from what I have read

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

The pediatric syndrome is a weird one. It’s not really happening anywhere else from what I have read

They had 1 child in Kentucky in the last couple of days.

[BleedingRed]

I think these issues with kids might not be related to COVID as much as they are related to the sheer number of cases we have.

Because no where else in the world have I seen them reporting this

[wazu]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I guess math isn't a strong suit.

No it's not. Decimal point fail. Correction is that under 18 deaths in NYC account for 0.067% of the overall total.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by wazu

No it's not. Decimal point fail. Correction is that under 18 deaths in NYC account for 0.067% of the overall total.

Just because it doesn’t kill them doesn’t mean it is not causing any harm.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Just because it doesn’t kill them doesn’t mean it is not causing any harm.

We can speculate all day about possible effects of a million variables that may or may not be real.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Just because it doesn’t kill them doesn’t mean it is not causing any harm.

If we're gonna get to the point of shielding everyone from potential harm, I'm guessing that's a game we'll lose.