Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 204

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2018, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ump has been awful today, but the Cards are tired. Carp and Yadi both could have used today off.

yeah, Schildt should step in and force a day off. Day game after night game and a good winning streak seemed to be s good time.

They are back in contention. Now they need to make sure their core players have the strength to finish this thing.

DJ's left nut · 08-19-2018, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

yeah, Schildt should step in and force a day off. Day game after night game and a good winning streak seemed to be s good time.

They are back in contention. Now they need to make sure their core players have the strength to finish this thing.

Yeah, dont understand not at least getting Yadi a blow and then sitting Carpenter against the next lefty they face. With no Wong I understand not also sitting Carpenter but Yadi needs the break.

Kinda silly to have both those guys out there during the day game on getaway day with the series won. TLR goes to his bench and they might even steal one in this spot.

DJ's left nut · 08-19-2018, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

How would it be homer talk to expect 28 and 29 year old pitchers to "regress" back to their norms?

Quintana's problem this year has been his control. His stuff is still there so there's no reason to assume hes done. Hendricks is in the same boat. He's struggled to get the ball down at times and he's been giving up a few more hits and homers than normal. His walks and strikeouts are right in line with his norms.

Really the only one that would be homer talk would be Lester returning to his Cy Young form.

Because Hendricks simply isnt good and never has been. 5th starter. Quintana will be better, yes

Darvish, OTOH, left his rehab start with a sore throwing arm after one inning. How you feel about eating the first TWO years of that deal? Tell me more about how great that deal was...

jd1020 · 08-19-2018, 02:10 PM

Pretty laughable calling a guy (Hendricks) with a career FIP of 3.57 "never good." It would be like saying a guy with an equal career FIP but never even close to having a single year as good as Hendricks' 2016 year has never been good (Carlos Martinez).

There is no way that you can look at Hendricks' career and say he hasnt at least been a #3 pitcher. And since the start of July, Hendricks has a FIP of 2.7, so there's already reason to believe that he is coming back to form.

I'm not concerned about Darvish missing next year. There's nothing to suggest that he is even in jeopardy of that happening. It's not the first time hes been pulled because of tightness in his elbow during his rehab this season. He's likely on the shelf for the remainder of this year, but thats why the Cubs traded for Hamels.

George Liquor · 08-19-2018, 03:10 PM

Carp and Jedd both barely miss tying the game.

VAChief · 08-19-2018, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23

Carp and Jedd both barely miss tying the game.

Well at least the Bucs walked one off against the baby bears.

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2018, 06:57 PM

Wellll we are in the Brewers players head now.

Jeremy Jeffress, after the Brewers inched back in front of the #STLCards with a win on Sunday:

"Honestly, these guys feel like they own some part of the Brewers. And they don't."
— Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) August 19, 2018

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2018, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ump has been awful today, but the Cards are tired. Carp and Yadi both could have used today off.

gtfoh pic.twitter.com/Ktvk4wUWmj
— cardinalsgifs (@cardinalsgifs) August 19, 2018

**BigRedChief** · 08-19-2018, 09:57 PM

Least shocking news of the day, Weaver to the bullpen. I think he’s going to be a great addition to the bullpen. Martinez knows he only needs to pitch one inning may help him focus his intensity and stuff.

duncan_idaho · 08-20-2018, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Least shocking news of the day, Weaver to the bullpen. I think he’s going to be a great addition to the bullpen. Martinez knows he only needs to pitch one inning may help him focus his intensity and stuff.

Man.

I didn’t expect Weaver to be as good as he was in limited time last year but I didn’t expect him to be this bad.

Still think that was a missed sell high opportunity in the offseason.

**BigRedChief** · 08-20-2018, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Man.

I didn’t expect Weaver to be as good as he was in limited time last year but I didn’t expect him to be this bad.

Still think that was a missed sell high opportunity in the offseason.

As I'm sure you are aware, we do that a lot. Mo hangs on to young players until their value is "throw in" level way too many times.

Kelly is a good recent example. He hits near .300, getting all this good national press. Considered the best catching prospect in baseball. Going to be stuck behind Molina for 3 years. We have another catcher that also looks like he is a great candidate to replace Molina. Perfect storm to trade high.And Mo whiffs. Now, Kelly still has value but nothing close to 2 years ago.

DJ's left nut · 08-20-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As I'm sure you are aware, we do that a lot. Mo hangs on to young players until their value is "throw in" level way too many times.

Kelly is a good recent example. He hits near .300, getting all this good national press. Considered the best catching prospect in baseball. Going to be stuck behind Molina for 3 years. We have another catcher that also looks like he is a great candidate to replace Molina. Perfect storm to trade high.And Mo whiffs. Now, Kelly still has value but nothing close to 2 years ago.

Eh, I don't agree with Kelly.

He's rehabbed his value by hitting very well in Memphis - he's effectively at the same level he's ever been. I think many have overrated his trade value because he simply hasn't ever shown that he's likely to be an offensive force. A Tucker Barnhart type player who's never shown the ability to perform at the MLB level is going to have a hard ceiling as a trade piece.

What the Cardinals needed him to do was come to the majors and not suck. Sadly, he's sucked and has looked wildly overmatched every time he's been given a shot at the next level.

The Cards had a guy in AAA who'd shown he could be a good catch and throw guy. On a 1-10 scale he had a trade value of maybe 7. If you wanted a 9, you needed him to come to the show and perform. He didn't. And when he went back to Memphis he went back to hitting. He's still at maybe a 7.

Kelly's an asset that the Cardinals haven't necessarily mis-handled, he simply hasn't done his part to get his value to a point where he's worth trading.

**BigRedChief** · 08-20-2018, 08:04 PM

Before Matheny was fired if we saw the Cardinals were starting Gomber/Poncedeleon/Flaherty in August on the road in LA, we would have said the Cardinals have given up on the season. My how this season has turned.....

**BigRedChief** · 08-21-2018, 06:30 AM

WTF is in the water out in LA? Can a game be played in less that 4 hours?

I thought when they had bases loaded, no outs and didn't score they blew the game.

Then they burned all their best pitching just keeping the game close. I hated the pitch calling by Pena. He kept trying to get cute, trick the batter with a pitch. Crucial situation, game on the line, throw their best pitch for ctissakes.He caused everyone's pitch count to go way up.

Wong should win the Gold Glove this year.

If they don't hit a wall or burn out, this team will be a dangerous team to play in a WC. And if they get by that game, the playoffs.

Jewish Rabbi · 08-21-2018, 06:39 AM

They had already scored two runs in the inning they left the bases loaded, unless there was another time after I went to bed.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	2018 STL Cardinals Thread Opening day lineup Fowler RF Pham CF Carpenter 3B Ozuna LF Martinez 1B Molina C Dejong SS Wong 2B Pitcher Edit: Matheny fired 07/14/2018 Opening Day Roster Spoiler! St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen. Outfielders: Dexter Fowler Tommy Pham Marcell Ozuna Infielders: Matt Carpenter Paul DeJong Kolten Wong Catchers: Yadier Molina Francisco Pena Utility: Jose Martinez Greg Garcia Yairo Munoz Jedd Gyrko Starters: Carlos Martinez Michael Wacha Luke Weaver Miles Mikolas Jack Flaherty Relievers: Dominic Leone Tyler Lyons Bud Norris Brett Cecil Sam Tuivailala Matt Bowman Jordan Hicks Mike Mayers On the DL: Adam Wainwright Luke Gregerson Last edited by BigRedChief; 07-17-2018 at 02:21 PM..
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08-19-2018, 02:10 PM	#3049
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	Pretty laughable calling a guy (Hendricks) with a career FIP of 3.57 "never good." It would be like saying a guy with an equal career FIP but never even close to having a single year as good as Hendricks' 2016 year has never been good (Carlos Martinez). There is no way that you can look at Hendricks' career and say he hasnt at least been a #3 pitcher. And since the start of July, Hendricks has a FIP of 2.7, so there's already reason to believe that he is coming back to form. I'm not concerned about Darvish missing next year. There's nothing to suggest that he is even in jeopardy of that happening. It's not the first time hes been pulled because of tightness in his elbow during his rehab this season. He's likely on the shelf for the remainder of this year, but thats why the Cubs traded for Hamels. Last edited by jd1020; 08-19-2018 at 02:34 PM..
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	Wellll we are in the Brewers players head now. Jeremy Jeffress, after the Brewers inched back in front of the #STLCards with a win on Sunday: "Honestly, these guys feel like they own some part of the Brewers. And they don't." — Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) August 19, 2018 __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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08-19-2018, 09:57 PM	#3054
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	Least shocking news of the day, Weaver to the bullpen. I think he’s going to be a great addition to the bullpen. Martinez knows he only needs to pitch one inning may help him focus his intensity and stuff. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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08-20-2018, 08:04 PM	#3058
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	Before Matheny was fired if we saw the Cardinals were starting Gomber/Poncedeleon/Flaherty in August on the road in LA, we would have said the Cardinals have given up on the season. My how this season has turned..... __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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08-21-2018, 06:30 AM	#3059
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	WTF is in the water out in LA? Can a game be played in less that 4 hours? I thought when they had bases loaded, no outs and didn't score they blew the game. Then they burned all their best pitching just keeping the game close. I hated the pitch calling by Pena. He kept trying to get cute, trick the batter with a pitch. Crucial situation, game on the line, throw their best pitch for ctissakes.He caused everyone's pitch count to go way up. Wong should win the Gold Glove this year. If they don't hit a wall or burn out, this team will be a dangerous team to play in a WC. And if they get by that game, the playoffs. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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08-21-2018, 06:39 AM	#3060
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