***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It matters to the family maybe, how do they make money calling it a covid death?

The Fed is paying various entities such as hospitals more money for Covid patients. It isn't a lot of $ but it adds up.

Let's just say I hope it is for $ and not something more nefarious like trying to intentionally inflate the numbers to stoke more fear.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Does it cure hangovers?

It causes a reaction that makes you extremely nauseous, similar to a drug formerly used for alcoholism called disulfiram (Antabuse).

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

How do you screw up the Coroner telling you it was alcohol poisoning, you change it to Covid, the Coroner points out you got it wrong and you say **** off it was Covid?

That sounds rather ****ing intentional to me. Plain and simple.

I just assume the amount of people who would be willing to compromise their integrity/careers etc.. for money is a lot lower then most people on this forums by the looks of it maybe i am naive, but i think people are more likely to make mistakes than be evil.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

It matters to the family maybe, how do they make money calling it a covid death?

And what do you mean it matters to the family? I mean if a family member is shot robbing a bank can you say he died of natural causes? I mean never mind the bullet in his heart made his heart stop beating, you cannot live without a beating heart so naturally if your heart stops beating you die.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And what do you mean it matters to the family? I mean if a family member is shot robbing a bank can you say he died of natural causes? I mean never mind the bullet in his heart made his heart stop beating, you cannot live without a beating heart so naturally if your heart stops beating you die.

I would want to know the real cause of death of my family member and i would be pissed if somebody was trying to profit off their death

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I just assume the amount of people who would be willing to compromise their integrity/careers etc.. for money is a lot lower then most people on this forums by the looks of it maybe i am naive, but i think people are more likely to make mistakes and be evil.

It's amazing what people will do for money or to keep their jobs, etc. Especially when they aren't getting the money directly but "the state" is. A lot easier to see yourself as less guilty.

Dude, people suck. I don't understand how this was a mistake when the Coroner has to go on record stating that even after he tried to correct this they still wouldn't. A mistake is, "oh, sorry, thanks for telling us. We will change that". Not, "don't give a **** what you say this is what we say".

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I would want to know the real cause of death of my family member and i would be pissed if somebody was trying to profit off their death

Hate to say this, brother, but death is a very profitable business.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Hate to say this, brother, but death is a very profitable business.

Sometimes people assume somebody would do something in certain situations because they themselves would do the same thing in a similar situation. (not accusing you but in general)

Like a cheating husband accusing their wife of cheating(example, not always the case )

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Hate to say this, brother, but death is a very profitable business.

When my wife fills out a death certificate she gets not bonus for changing the diagnosis, and as a Coroner she got 75$ for signing it no matter what it said no real incentive to lie and she couldn't sign her own of course.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Nope, they've stayed the same. The problem is that you don't even know what game is being played.

Two weeks... i.e. the standard time-frame for when people are contagious and/or potentially become symptomatic if infected... since Georgia re-opened and every metric... rate of new cases, hospitalizations and deaths have trended downwards.

You seem intent on being irrationally negative without the basis of facts or consistent logic.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's not the city of Hollywood that's enacting this law, it's the Mayor of Los Angeles.

Hollywood is within Los Angeles, it's NOT Los Angeles.

Never ending lockdowns, draconian mask requirements... in related news LA County will see businesses flee for more favorable locations.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

When my wife fills out a death certificate she gets not bonus for changing the diagnosis, and as a Coroner she got 75$ for signing it no matter what it said no real incentive to lie and she couldn't sign her own of course.

Well you just sorta made my point. The Coroner in this case seems to be the one with integrity wanting the death to be recorded accurately and he is being ignored and overridden.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Does it cure hangovers?

Half a bottle of Pedialyte Advanced Care+ before bed and you're a rock star in the AM.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Never ending lockdowns, draconian mask requirements... in related news LA County will see businesses flee for more favorable locations.

I don't get that ****ing guy at all, really. I mean, Dane lives there so he obviously has a better sense of what is going on but I would think the Mayor is pushing his luck here. And that might be for CA as a State as well. They really jumped the shark this week.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Half a bottle of Pedialyte Advanced Care+ before bed and you're a rock star in the AM.

And a Bloody Mary first thing when you wake up. Spicy!