Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 208

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

DJ's left nut · 08-21-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

yeah over 3/4 th’s of the locker room know the guy. I’m sure the coaches worked with him in the minors. Should be a smooth fit.

Shildt was his first manager as a professional down in Johnson City.

It'll be a nice easy fit for him and I could see it leading to a decent little 2 yr/$8 million extension to be a part time player and bench bat after the season.

He's not gonna get a look as a starter; he's simply too streaky. That should keep his market reasonable and he's just such a perfect short-term fit for this squad. Gorman and Baker aren't gonna be here too terribly soon and even if they are, they probably aren't bench players. Williams doesn't inspire much confidence in me.

There's a hole at the top of the organization for lefthanded bench bats with power. He fits it perfectly while we wait for someone like Baker to get here or Gorman to make it less critical.

DJ's left nut · 08-21-2018, 02:16 PM

Credit to the dude on my Cardinals board but this is fitting:

DJ's left nut · 08-21-2018, 03:26 PM

Darvish shut down for the remainder of the season with a triceps strain and a stress reaction in his elbow.

Yeah, I'm sure that's nothing that will surface again next year.

Have fun with that 'below market' deal, JD. Keep telling yourself that the $8 million win share means jack shit. The Cubs paid exactly market for Darvish and as it turns out, they're probably gonna take a beating on the deal.

Or hey, maybe a 32 yr old pitcher who was abused in his teens/early 20s and then put forward a 1/2 decade history of arm troubles will bounce back and pitch 5 healthy seasons starting next year through his age 36 season. I mean, it happens all the time.

**BigRedChief** · 08-21-2018, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Darvish shut down for the remainder of the season with a triceps strain and a stress reaction in his elbow.

Yeah, I'm sure that's nothing that will surface again next year.

Have fun with that 'below market' deal, JD. Keep telling yourself that the $8 million win share means jack shit. The Cubs paid exactly market for Darvish and as it turns out, they're probably gonna take a beating on the deal.

Or hey, maybe a 32 yr old pitcher who was abused in his teens/early 20s and then put forward a 1/2 decade history of arm troubles will bounce back and pitch 5 healthy seasons starting next year through his age 36 season. I mean, it happens all the time.

yeah JD, I’ve heard several times in this thread all about this Darvish deal working out in the long term. What up?

jd1020 · 08-21-2018, 04:05 PM

Shit happens. Players get injured.

Let me know when the Cardinals can even sign a high caliber FA to a long term deal.

Regardless if he manages to make an impact over the remainder over his contract its not going to prevent the Cubs from spending, so ask me if I care.

**BigRedChief** · 08-21-2018, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Let me know when the Cardinals can even sign a high caliber FA to a long term deal.

it wasn’t shit happens before. It was a done deal. It’s going to work out.

And.......

We got our money’s worth and more for the Holliday FA deal. One of the few $100 million+ MLB FA deals to ever work out for the club.

And an honorable mention of signing Pujols to a 10 years extension. The best 10 years a player has ever had in MLB.

jd1020 · 08-21-2018, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We got our money’s worth and more for the Holliday FA deal.

That was a FA deal? The Cardinals traded for him then extended him, did they not? And what is this 2009 where TLR still exists?

jd1020 · 08-21-2018, 04:28 PM

I dont recall ever saying that Darvish was a done deal and going to work out. I said the Cubs paid below market value for a pitcher of his caliber and year 1 wont be the deciding factor on his contract as a whole.

He's got an injury that doesnt include ligaments, wont require any surgery, and comes with a 6 week recovery. Had the Cubs been able to spot it earlier he'd probably be pitching this year but while he kept saying something didn't feel right they missed it I think twice before.

**BigRedChief** · 08-21-2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

That was a FA deal? The Cardinals traded for him then extended him, did they not? And what is this 2009 where TLR still exists?

No, he was a Boras FA testing the market. Wasn’t signed until the next calendar year.

Miles · 08-21-2018, 06:07 PM

Murphy has been hitting the ball a bit better of late and not that far removed from being a pretty productive player. Agree with everyone else that weird to not at least put in a claim to block CHI.

DJ's left nut · 08-21-2018, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I dont recall ever saying that Darvish was a done deal and going to work out. I said the Cubs paid below market value for a pitcher of his caliber and year 1 wont be the deciding factor on his contract as a whole.

He's got an injury that doesnt include ligaments, wont require any surgery, and comes with a 6 week recovery. Had the Cubs been able to spot it earlier he'd probably be pitching this year but while he kept saying something didn't feel right they missed it I think twice before.

You have 5 years to get 126 million in value out of an aging pitcher with a myriad of arm troubles.

Good luck with that.

Hoover · 08-21-2018, 06:21 PM

Sucks for the Cubs sure. But they don’t pay dick for any of their position players. I mean JHey and Zorbrist are the only dudes pulling in legit salaries as position players. The Cubs are fine. If they have to pay a little luxury tax so be it.

VAChief · 08-21-2018, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Shit happens. Players get injured.

Let me know when the Cardinals can even sign a high caliber FA to a long term deal.

Regardless if he manages to make an impact over the remainder over his contract its not going to prevent the Cubs from spending, so ask me if I care.

Yeah you seem to be overflowing with indifference. On the bright side you get another chance to sign Lance Lynn next year.

jd1020 · 08-21-2018, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

Yeah you seem to be overflowing with indifference.

One of the benefits of being a fan of a team that isn't afraid to be the #1 bidder.

VAChief · 08-21-2018, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

One of the benefits of being a fan of a team that isn't afraid to be the #1 bidder.

Sure, maybe you can turn your 2016 memorabilia over to a trust so that your great, great, great grandkids can wear them proudly the next time the Cubs win it all.

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08-21-2018, 03:26 PM	#3108
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-630901	Darvish shut down for the remainder of the season with a triceps strain and a stress reaction in his elbow. Yeah, I'm sure that's nothing that will surface again next year. Have fun with that 'below market' deal, JD. Keep telling yourself that the $8 million win share means jack shit. The Cubs paid exactly market for Darvish and as it turns out, they're probably gonna take a beating on the deal. Or hey, maybe a 32 yr old pitcher who was abused in his teens/early 20s and then put forward a 1/2 decade history of arm troubles will bounce back and pitch 5 healthy seasons starting next year through his age 36 season. I mean, it happens all the time. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	Shit happens. Players get injured. Let me know when the Cardinals can even sign a high caliber FA to a long term deal. Regardless if he manages to make an impact over the remainder over his contract its not going to prevent the Cubs from spending, so ask me if I care.
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08-21-2018, 04:28 PM	#3113
jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	I dont recall ever saying that Darvish was a done deal and going to work out. I said the Cubs paid below market value for a pitcher of his caliber and year 1 wont be the deciding factor on his contract as a whole. He's got an injury that doesnt include ligaments, wont require any surgery, and comes with a 6 week recovery. Had the Cubs been able to spot it earlier he'd probably be pitching this year but while he kept saying something didn't feel right they missed it I think twice before.
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Miles MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $-1497600	Murphy has been hitting the ball a bit better of late and not that far removed from being a pretty productive player. Agree with everyone else that weird to not at least put in a claim to block CHI.
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1941821	Sucks for the Cubs sure. But they don’t pay dick for any of their position players. I mean JHey and Zorbrist are the only dudes pulling in legit salaries as position players. The Cubs are fine. If they have to pay a little luxury tax so be it.
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