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Old 11-16-2017, 05:38 PM   #1
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So was Marv Marinovich.

And if I had any confidence that LaVar gave one **** about Lonzo apart from being able to bask in Lonzo's accomplishments, maybe I'd buy this argument more. But LaVar ball is a me-first jackass who uses his children to further himself; little else.

And nothing is more funny to read than "Lonzo needs to 'tweak' his shot'. Shaquille O'Neal needed to 'tweak' his free throw technique. Lonzo needs to 'tweak' his shot in the same way that Charles Barkley needs to tweak his golf swing. Literally every single thing about his shot needs to be re-made. He doesn't gather correctly, his balance is bad, he doesn't keep his hand under the shot, he doesn't finish worth a shit. He looks like a middle schooler out there; it's incredibly bad and there's no spot on it that can be 'tweaked' without the whole thing being re-made from the ground up.

He airballed an open look from straight away last night. He missed badly enough on two others that he went glass before he drew rim (and no, there's no way it was by design). He's not just a tweak away - he's lucky to draw iron on some of these.

You can't keep sending him out there to die. It isn't going to just fix itself if he keeps slinging balls at the rim.
Exactly. He has to work on his shot and get that fixed. If he does I think he will be a good role-player but like you mentioned I don't think he will be able to.

Ball is trash right now. He is shooting 30% from the field and 23% from the 3-pt line. He better improve his shot quickly because you can't be an effective PG in today's NBA shooting like that.

I saw him play enough in college to know he was going to have trouble in the NBA. Like I said overhyped because of his father. His father definitely knew how to use the media to his advantage. I don't think I have ever seen a garbage rookie like Ball get this much attention. Maybe Kwame Brown because MJ picked him.
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:01 PM   #2
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So we got a real Finals preview tonight , Warriors at Celtics on TNT. Curry is back tonight as well so it should be a fun game.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:13 PM   #3
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Ball will come into his own. The premature talk is pretty funny to read.
It's partly because of anomalies like Embiid and Simmons. They are freakish talents (especially Embiid) who were good in the NBA as soon as they stepped foot on the court. That seems to be the expectation for these prospects these days, but the fact that Ball hasn't done the same is hardly the end of the world. He still projects to be a good player in the league.
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:23 PM   #4
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It's partly because of anomalies like Embiid and Simmons. They are freakish talents (especially Embiid) who were good in the NBA as soon as they stepped foot on the court. That seems to be the expectation for these prospects these days, but the fact that Ball hasn't done the same is hardly the end of the world. He still projects to be a good player in the league.
I'll give you that you can't say he is guaranteed to be a bust but to say he still projects to be a good player in this league is a stretch. What has he done to make you think that?

He sucks right now. The only thing he has going for him is his age and court vision but in today's NBA he's going to have to be able to shoot. He can't get by just passing. He better develop a shot quickly otherwise he won't get much playing time and he'll be a backup for his career.

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I guess Irving is elite.

Right KCC?
Irving was carried by LeBron and GS is the greatest team of all-time. I thought you guys knew this due to KCC?
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Old 11-16-2017, 10:29 PM   #5
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He sucks right now. The only thing he has going for him is his age and court vision but in today's NBA he's going to have to be able to shoot. He can't get by just passing. He better develop a shot quickly otherwise he won't get much playing time and he'll be a backup for his career.
Maybe it's just me, but completely writing off prospects 15 games into their careers seems a little rash.


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Old 11-16-2017, 10:38 PM   #6
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Maybe it's just me, but completely writing off prospects 15 games into their careers seems a little rash.

Both remain true statements.
Ball should not be written off yet, agreed, but so far he sucks.

Irving clearly was not carried by LeBron. It's painfully obvious if you look at the current state of the Celtics and Cavs.

GS is not the greatest team of all-time. They are up there but Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, Jordans Bulls, Twin-Tower Spurs, all those teams you could make an argument are just as good IMO.
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:52 PM   #7
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Old 11-16-2017, 07:57 PM   #8
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All he needs to do is stop shooting. Just do the Ben Simmons approach. He's a good player, but for some reason he really thinks he's the incarnate of Larry Bird or something. Do what you are good at.
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:05 PM   #9
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All he needs to do is stop shooting. Just do the Ben Simmons approach. He's a good player, but for some reason he really thinks he's the incarnate of Larry Bird or something. Do what you are good at.
Yep. He has taken a couple of really bad 3’s when he just needs to drive to the basket or give it to someone who can actually shoot.
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Game is tied going into the 4th quarter. Don’t know how that happened but this game has felt like a GS blowout since early in the game.
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Un****ingbelievable. Can’t believe the Celtics won this game. Kyrie gets them again.
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I guess Irving is elite.

Right KCC?
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I guess Irving is elite.

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Irving shot 4 for 16 in this game and is having basically the same season he always did with the Cavs (if not worse). If I didn't consider him elite before, not sure why my opinion would have changed.
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I knew the Suns were bad, but now that I finally get to watch them, I realize just how horri-bad they are. Houston has 86 points and it’s not quite halftime!!!
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Houston(90)/Harden's (33) first half is insane. The team scores more points in that half than the Warriors just did for an entire game.
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