Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 21

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

Danguardace · 10-05-2018, 03:21 PM

That response from Reid tells me all I need to know. Signing of Shaw could be telling also.

Struck me today...Is this drawn out process just a ways of keeping him on the sidelines? So he can coach? I a May as well get some use out of him?

CoMoChief · 10-05-2018, 03:35 PM

Week 15

We're taking Eric Berry day to day.
-Andy Reid-

CoMoChief · 10-05-2018, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danguardace

That response from Reid tells me all I need to know. Signing of Shaw could be telling also.

Struck me today...Is this drawn out process just a ways of keeping him on the sidelines? So he can coach? I a May as well get some use out of him?

Why does everyone think players can just magically turn into coaches when they're no longer playing?

Are we still waiting on Will Shields to come in and coach the OL?

Chief Pagan · 10-05-2018, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danguardace

That response from Reid tells me all I need to know. Signing of Shaw could be telling also.

Struck me today...Is this drawn out process just a ways of keeping him on the sidelines? So he can coach? I a May as well get some use out of him?

So is it legal to have a player renegotiate a big pay cut, later cut said player with less cap hit, and then hire said player to a lucrative coaching contract?

Kiimo · 10-05-2018, 04:09 PM

It's my personal belief that really good players make good broadcasters and really mediocre players make good coaches.

Multi-million dollar superstars aren't going to put in the hours it takes to be a good coach if they don't have to. That's a grind.

You could just talk about football on Sundays like Romo and spend the rest of the week fishing, honestly.

O.city · 10-05-2018, 04:11 PM

Yeah he’s not playing this year

Just ir him or cut him or injury settle or whatever and be done

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-05-2018, 04:42 PM

I’m starting to think twitter guy is right, and he swears up and down his info is legit about an injury settlement coming.

I just want some closure on the situation, one way or another. If he’s done for good, it sucks, I hate it, but I want to know so we can move on.

O.city · 10-05-2018, 04:43 PM

How does that work?

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-05-2018, 04:46 PM

The good news is next year’s FA safety class is outstanding. Best there’s been in many years at this point.

If we are losing Berry for good, we should be able to find solid replacement(s) in March.

**The Franchise** · 10-05-2018, 04:49 PM

Why would Berry agree to an injury settlement though? He can sit where he's at and just collect his paycheck. He knows the Chiefs are ****ed right now if they just decided to cut him.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-05-2018, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pest

Why would Berry agree to an injury settlement though? He can sit where he's at and just collect his paycheck. He knows the Chiefs are ****ed right now if they just decided to cut him.

It doesn’t make sense to me either, but ‘RockyMahomes’ on Twitter has been beating the drum since he supposedly heard it a week ago from close ‘sources’ in Atlanta.

He’s a Chiefs fan and is telling anyone and everyone who will listen that he’s 100% done playing here. Idk.

Titty Meat · 10-05-2018, 04:53 PM

Injury settlement is fake news. They wouldn't have him on the sidelines if that were the plan.

On another note this will be what? His 20th game in a row hes missed. Even if he comes back gotta wonder how good he will be.

Kiimo · 10-05-2018, 04:53 PM

The next time I trust a guy names "Rocky Mahomes On Twitter" will be the first.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-05-2018, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

The next time I trust a guy names "Rocky Mahomes On Twitter" will be the first.

That’s what people said when the one guy reported Watkins’ contract.

I’m skeptical but it’s possible given that his sources supposedly come from Atlanta, where Berry has many ties.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-05-2018, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Injury settlement is fake news. They wouldn't have him on the sidelines if that were the plan.

On another note this will be what? His 20th game in a row hes missed. Even if he comes back gotta wonder how good he will be.

The big issue is his Achilles rupture was likely related to this bone spur and not being able to properly compensate for it on that other leg.

It could easily happen again.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1746899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. 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