I am a GOOD American - Page 21

05-05-2001, 04:44 PM

I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.

05-09-2001, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Stephens
[B]Taco, I see you that you ignore my question on the language of this country.

That must be because you didn't bother to look. I directly answered your question... But since I re-posted for Raiderhater, I might as weel do the same courtesy for you:

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Originally posted by Rick Stephens
Taco when I walk into a place of business in my country I expect for the employee's of that business to be able to understand the language of my country which is English.
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Sounds like a personal problem to me...

I don't know if you are familiar with the first amendment, or not. Freedom of speech? Sound familir?

Freedom? Bah! Screw freedom! People shouldn't have the freedom to speak whatever language they want. They should be forced to conform!

It's this attitude that makes me wonder why it would be such a stretch to draw parralells to fascism...

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I'll ask you to please keep up with the conversation as well. I gave a direct response to your question. It was you who ignored it.

Frazod · 05-09-2001, 10:20 PM

Taco, there's been lot's of nailing going on here, but none of it to me. I've responded to point after point after point, and when you get confused, which is often, you run crying back to the old hate and racist thing. That's some security blanket you've got there.

I noticed you didn't respond to my question regarding your ammoral attitude towards the theft of the possessions of others. I guess it's pretty clear where you stand on that issue. I'm starting to wonder where those big fat checks of yours roll in from.

How much does a hot car stereo bring in Denver these days, anyway?

LapDog · 05-09-2001, 10:21 PM

Taco John-

Yeah I'm here tonight, but I won't be doing any rescuing. I've got a dilemma now. I agree with much of what you've said in the last few posts. Not completely, but mostly. (Doesn't life just suck!) I have a couple of things though.

On the Candian issue, I didn't even realize we have a Canadian immigrant problem. It's simply not very visible to your average American, if it's there at all. I don't go to the local McDonald's and hear "that'll be abote $4.75". Also, even if it were a visible problem, it's not nearly on the same scale. I'm sure we're all aware of the projections that indicate Hispanics will be more populous than whites in our country by 2030 (or 2050, or something like that.) To claim racism because we're giving the Candians a bye just isn't legitimate.

Regarding the opportunity stuff, this is where I'm really seeing your point. My question is, what about the Spanish speaking people at my nearby restaurants? Are they farmers, too? Drug lords, too? They don't speak English. Does anybody know if legal immigrants are required to know English? If so, these guys must be illegal. Maybe they are the smarter ones. Why hoe beets for $.75 when you can do fast-food for $8.00?

This brings me to my next point. If these guys are legal, why don't they speak English? Do they know it but refuse to speak it? If so, that is complete disrespect for their new country who is giving them this golden opportunity. I would think they would be more grateful than that. Maybe they have green cards and are still learning. Maybe we should require knowledge of English to get a green card. We could then recognize the illegals since they wouldn't be able to speak English. The illegals who could speak English could bypass the system, but then who cares? At least they'll be conforming to our society as any new citizen should be, even though they are still illegally here.

Finally, your comment about free speech is a good one. I don't know if there's a good response to it. I just don't want to see the U.S. turn into another Mexico, and that's where I see it heading.

LapDog
(BTW, calling me Lassie was a low blow. We all know I'm a male dog, don't we.)

05-09-2001, 10:22 PM

Again... I've gone a whole evening... And not one of you... Not even ONE of you have been able to address the points that I brought up... What I have gotten is a lot of name calling.

But give yourselves a good pat on the back... You are "working me over." Right?

Rick Stephens · 05-09-2001, 10:32 PM

Further Taco here is some more information for you.

It is estimated there are more than 2,000,000 illegal aliens in California and more than 400,00 illegal alliens in our schools. The cost to California taxpayers exceeds $4 billion annually, or about $2,000 per illegal alien. Thats not suprising considering the fact that it costs about $7,000 for each non-English speaking student.
In 1994, after one of the most debated issues in our history, the people of California approved Propostion 187. They did so by an overwhelming 6 to 4 margin.
Propostion 187 barred illegal aliens from receiving any taxpayer paid benefits and services, including schools and colleges, and it directed state agencies to cooperate with federal law enforcement in enforcing immigration laws.
Prop 187 was immediately challenged by advocacy groups such as The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, The League of Latin American Citizens and the ACLU.

Now these people are not citizens of this country. Why do we owe them an education and services? We have immigration laws. When they cross the border illegally they are a criminal. We owe them nothing. If you believe that they are entitled to come here and take what does not belong to them, maybe we should send troops to Mexico and take what we want.

Rick Stephens · 05-09-2001, 10:37 PM

Taco you are trully ignorant. I told you no one is against them speaking Spanish in their homes. As I stated before, when I go into a business in the United States of America I expect them to be able to speak and understand the English language. English is the language of the United States. I ask you to name one school system in the United States that does not teach English as the primary language.

I ask you as well to keep up with the conversation.I ask you to name one school system in the United States which does not teach English as the primary language. The reason our schools teach English is because this is the language of our country.

05-09-2001, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by LapDog
[B]Taco John-

Yeah I'm here tonight, but I won't be doing any rescuing. I've got a dilemma now. I agree with much of what you've said in the last few posts. Not completely, but mostly.

That's because you are very intelligent, Dog. The points I brought up are very valid points. You recognize that to solve a sickness you have to attack it at its source, not it's symptoms. I totally expected that a reasoned, well thought argument would at least make you think.

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On the Candian issue, I didn't even realize we have a Canadian immigrant problem. It's simply not very visible to your average American, if it's there at all. I'm sure we're all aware of the projections that indicate Hispanics will be more populous than whites in our country by 2030 (or 2050, or something like that.) To claim racism because we're giving the Candians a bye just isn't legitimate.

Oh? So let me get this straight... It's ok for Canadians to come in and steal American jobs, so long as they speak the language. But it's not ok for Mexicans to come into the country and take the menial jobs that Americans don't want... The difference being, the Mexicans are bringing their culture along with them... How is this not racist? I'm not calling you a racist. I'm merely pointing out the double standard.

Believe it or not, Illegal Canadian Immigration is a problem in America, and they are taking American jobs. But we seem to be more tolerant of it. Why do you suppose that is? If you need proof that we systematically discriminate between illegal mexican, and illegal Canadian Immigrants, I implore you to read about it: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/lws...1_4/01_TXT.htm

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Regarding the opportunity stuff, this is where I'm really seeing your point. My question is, what about the Spanish speaking people at my nearby restaurants? Are they farmers, too? Drug lords, too? They don't speak English. Does anybody know if legal immigrants are required to know English? If so, these guys must be illegal. Maybe they are the smarter ones. Why hoe beets for $.75 when you can do fast-food for $8.00?

Again, there is no law in America forcing you to speak English. I've had the constitution thrown in my face multiple times in this thread; people asking me to show me where in the constitution it says that we should do this, or that, or the other (I think you see where I'm going with this). I ask you, where in the constitution does it say that Americans should all be forced to speak one language? It doesn't. In fact, the constitution gurantees you exactly the opposite... It gurantees you freedom to speak the way you want to speak; to express yourself the way you want to express yourself. You or I might not like it... But I'll defend to the death the freedom of speech. And you should too.

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Finally, your comment about free speech is a good one. I don't know if there's a good response to it. I just don't want to see America turn into another Mexico, and that's where I see it heading.

I know it's a good one. And, no, America won't turn into another Mexico. America is on a course of its own. And the country will be better off, whatever happens. My kids will be raised to know both English and Spanish. Not so much because my heritage lies in both... But because I'm not afraid of educating my children with the doctrine of tolerance.

As the phrase goes "All Men are Created Equal." It isn't "All Americans are created equal."

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(BTW, calling me Lassie was a low blow. We all know I'm a male dog, don't we.)

Yeah... Well, sorry about that. Just about everybody else here is waiting for you to bail them out of this argument so that they could pat themselves on the back for defeating the pinko commie liberal... The joke rings so true, that it was too hard to pass up.

Frazod · 05-09-2001, 10:49 PM

Okay, just to make you happy. The two main reasons you give for Mexico's horrible conditions are: 1. US Companies taking advantage of Mexican workers, and 2. Drugs in America.

In case you haven't noticed, big companies take advantage of EVERYONE. They just do it on a far grander scale in Mexico. And I guess there's not a lot you can do about it, because if you demand higher wages, they'll just move their operations elsewhere. Of course, where would the Mexican people be if these companies weren't offering them jobs. They may not pay much, but its certainly better than nothing. Since I don't sit on Nike's board of directors, I guess whining to me about this one is a moot point.

As for the drugs, you simply say the US should "control its drug problem." Duh. And how do you propose to do this? My answer, if you recall, is the legalization of all drugs, bringing them under legal control. I've mentioned that a couple of times - you must have been too busy talking about hate and racism to notice it.

Of course, these issues are just red herrings. You blame us, and a lack of resources, for everything. The poor Mexicans are just victims, of the Unitd States, and have no responsibility at all for the mess their country has become. That's ridiculous.

To me it seems that overpopulation is Mexico's biggest problem, and the blatantly simple solution is the implemention of population control. How about a little birth control? I have a certain degree of sympathy for poor people, but people who can't even support themselves and then produce child after child after child and then whine that they need help feeding them strike me as hideously irresponsible and stupid.

Population control in Mexico would reduce the number of people living in poverty, improve the ratio of resources to people, and eleviate the need for them to come here illegally and be a burden to us.

And speaking of taking responsibility, again it should be the responsibility of MEXICAN CITIZENS to fix their corrupt and disfunctional government. Even someone as bent as you can't really believe that every single problem in the Mexican government is the result of American bribes.

Frazod · 05-09-2001, 10:52 PM

You crack me up, Taco. Lap Dog is a racist moron until he agrees with something you said, then he's a visionary genius.

Do you actually read the things you write?

05-09-2001, 10:52 PM

Rick, you call me ignorant, and then post a bunch of stuff that fits nowhere in any of the points that I am arguing.

Show me one post... Just one post where I said that we should be giving free educations to non American citizens... Show me one post where I made the comment that illegal immigration isn't a problem. You'll be hard pressed, because there isn't one...

I've acknowledged the problem, and even boiled the major problems down to their sources. Now I ask you to attack the problem at it's sources, rather than attacking the symptoms.

05-09-2001, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by frazod
You crack me up, Taco. Lap Dog is a racist moron until he agrees with something you said, then he's a visionary genius.

Do you actually read the things you write?

Please. I implore you to go back and show me where I even so much as implied that Lap Dog is a racist. I don't remember doing it. I suspect you are putting words in my mouth.

Whatsa matter Timmy? Still stuck in the well?

Frazod · 05-09-2001, 10:58 PM

No response to any of the valid points I made, just insults. As expected. Who's afraid to answer who?

No well here, and I don't, nor have I ever, needed anybody here to rescue me from the likes of you. Just because you think you're brilliant and witty doesn't make it so. You still strike me as being just as pathetic as you were from the first post of this thread.

LapDog · 05-09-2001, 10:59 PM

TJ-

I looked at the article, but it's long. I haven't read it yet, but I'll try to find the motivation.

My point on the Canadians was that we are giving them a bye only because we don't know it's a problem. If I knew it was a problem, I might be upset about. I personally have no problem with Mexicans or anyone else taking the menial jobs. Somebody has to do it and I'm glad it's not me. My problem is only with the total lack of respect for our society that seems to come with many Mexican immigrants. Speak Spanish if you (generic you) want to. Celebrate May 5 if you want to. Wave the Mexican flag if you want to. But don't rub it into everyone's face. And treat your new home with respect. When you visit someone in their home, you don't insult them. You treat them with respect. It's not that hard to understand why many Americans are upset.

I realize there is no law forcing you to know English, that's why I said you had a good point. I think maybe there should be a law, but I'm afraid any arguments I could come up with to support it might be rationalizations. This requires more thought than I've given it.

LapDog
(not upset about the Lassie comment, it was kind of funny)

Frazod · 05-09-2001, 11:00 PM

And you've called ALL OF US racists throughout this thread - anyone who disagrees with you. You've done it thoroughly and consistently, and you damn well know it.

It's a little hard to take the high road when you're mired in shit, pal.

Rick Stephens · 05-09-2001, 11:05 PM

Frazod,

I don't know if you read any of my posts or not. I ask Taco to show me one school district in the United States where anything other than English was taught as the primary language. All I get is some of his name calling. I ask several other questions regarding immigration. As usual he ignores them. When confronted with any facts he just ignores them.

05-05-2001, 04:44 PM
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American. I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society. I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance. I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country. I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall. I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too. I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though. I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all. I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one. You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.
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05-09-2001, 10:20 PM	#302
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-826615	Taco, there's been lot's of nailing going on here, but none of it to me. I've responded to point after point after point, and when you get confused, which is often, you run crying back to the old hate and racist thing. That's some security blanket you've got there. I noticed you didn't respond to my question regarding your ammoral attitude towards the theft of the possessions of others. I guess it's pretty clear where you stand on that issue. I'm starting to wonder where those big fat checks of yours roll in from. How much does a hot car stereo bring in Denver these days, anyway?
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05-09-2001, 10:21 PM	#303
LapDog Interloper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: KC Northland Casino cash: $10004900	Taco John- Yeah I'm here tonight, but I won't be doing any rescuing. I've got a dilemma now. I agree with much of what you've said in the last few posts. Not completely, but mostly. (Doesn't life just suck!) I have a couple of things though. On the Candian issue, I didn't even realize we have a Canadian immigrant problem. It's simply not very visible to your average American, if it's there at all. I don't go to the local McDonald's and hear "that'll be abote $4.75". Also, even if it were a visible problem, it's not nearly on the same scale. I'm sure we're all aware of the projections that indicate Hispanics will be more populous than whites in our country by 2030 (or 2050, or something like that.) To claim racism because we're giving the Candians a bye just isn't legitimate. Regarding the opportunity stuff, this is where I'm really seeing your point. My question is, what about the Spanish speaking people at my nearby restaurants? Are they farmers, too? Drug lords, too? They don't speak English. Does anybody know if legal immigrants are required to know English? If so, these guys must be illegal. Maybe they are the smarter ones. Why hoe beets for $.75 when you can do fast-food for $8.00? This brings me to my next point. If these guys are legal, why don't they speak English? Do they know it but refuse to speak it? If so, that is complete disrespect for their new country who is giving them this golden opportunity. I would think they would be more grateful than that. Maybe they have green cards and are still learning. Maybe we should require knowledge of English to get a green card. We could then recognize the illegals since they wouldn't be able to speak English. The illegals who could speak English could bypass the system, but then who cares? At least they'll be conforming to our society as any new citizen should be, even though they are still illegally here. Finally, your comment about free speech is a good one. I don't know if there's a good response to it. I just don't want to see the U.S. turn into another Mexico, and that's where I see it heading. LapDog (BTW, calling me Lassie was a low blow. We all know I'm a male dog, don't we.) Last edited by LapDog; 05-09-2001 at 10:29 PM..
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05-09-2001, 10:22 PM	#304
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	Again... I've gone a whole evening... And not one of you... Not even ONE of you have been able to address the points that I brought up... What I have gotten is a lot of name calling. But give yourselves a good pat on the back... You are "working me over." Right?
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05-09-2001, 10:32 PM	#305
Rick Stephens #1 Chiefs Collector Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Garden Grove, California Casino cash: $10004900	Further Taco here is some more information for you. It is estimated there are more than 2,000,000 illegal aliens in California and more than 400,00 illegal alliens in our schools. The cost to California taxpayers exceeds $4 billion annually, or about $2,000 per illegal alien. Thats not suprising considering the fact that it costs about $7,000 for each non-English speaking student. In 1994, after one of the most debated issues in our history, the people of California approved Propostion 187. They did so by an overwhelming 6 to 4 margin. Propostion 187 barred illegal aliens from receiving any taxpayer paid benefits and services, including schools and colleges, and it directed state agencies to cooperate with federal law enforcement in enforcing immigration laws. Prop 187 was immediately challenged by advocacy groups such as The Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, The League of Latin American Citizens and the ACLU. Now these people are not citizens of this country. Why do we owe them an education and services? We have immigration laws. When they cross the border illegally they are a criminal. We owe them nothing. If you believe that they are entitled to come here and take what does not belong to them, maybe we should send troops to Mexico and take what we want.
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05-09-2001, 10:37 PM	#306
Rick Stephens #1 Chiefs Collector Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Garden Grove, California Casino cash: $10004900	Taco you are trully ignorant. I told you no one is against them speaking Spanish in their homes. As I stated before, when I go into a business in the United States of America I expect them to be able to speak and understand the English language. English is the language of the United States. I ask you to name one school system in the United States that does not teach English as the primary language. I ask you as well to keep up with the conversation.I ask you to name one school system in the United States which does not teach English as the primary language. The reason our schools teach English is because this is the language of our country. Last edited by Rick Stephens; 05-09-2001 at 10:45 PM..
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05-09-2001, 10:49 PM	#308
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-826615	Okay, just to make you happy. The two main reasons you give for Mexico's horrible conditions are: 1. US Companies taking advantage of Mexican workers, and 2. Drugs in America. In case you haven't noticed, big companies take advantage of EVERYONE. They just do it on a far grander scale in Mexico. And I guess there's not a lot you can do about it, because if you demand higher wages, they'll just move their operations elsewhere. Of course, where would the Mexican people be if these companies weren't offering them jobs. They may not pay much, but its certainly better than nothing. Since I don't sit on Nike's board of directors, I guess whining to me about this one is a moot point. As for the drugs, you simply say the US should "control its drug problem." Duh. And how do you propose to do this? My answer, if you recall, is the legalization of all drugs, bringing them under legal control. I've mentioned that a couple of times - you must have been too busy talking about hate and racism to notice it. Of course, these issues are just red herrings. You blame us, and a lack of resources, for everything. The poor Mexicans are just victims, of the Unitd States, and have no responsibility at all for the mess their country has become. That's ridiculous. To me it seems that overpopulation is Mexico's biggest problem, and the blatantly simple solution is the implemention of population control. How about a little birth control? I have a certain degree of sympathy for poor people, but people who can't even support themselves and then produce child after child after child and then whine that they need help feeding them strike me as hideously irresponsible and stupid. Population control in Mexico would reduce the number of people living in poverty, improve the ratio of resources to people, and eleviate the need for them to come here illegally and be a burden to us. And speaking of taking responsibility, again it should be the responsibility of MEXICAN CITIZENS to fix their corrupt and disfunctional government. Even someone as bent as you can't really believe that every single problem in the Mexican government is the result of American bribes.
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05-09-2001, 10:52 PM	#309
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-826615	You crack me up, Taco. Lap Dog is a racist moron until he agrees with something you said, then he's a visionary genius. Do you actually read the things you write?
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05-09-2001, 10:52 PM	#310
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	Rick, you call me ignorant, and then post a bunch of stuff that fits nowhere in any of the points that I am arguing. Show me one post... Just one post where I said that we should be giving free educations to non American citizens... Show me one post where I made the comment that illegal immigration isn't a problem. You'll be hard pressed, because there isn't one... I've acknowledged the problem, and even boiled the major problems down to their sources. Now I ask you to attack the problem at it's sources, rather than attacking the symptoms.
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05-09-2001, 10:58 PM	#312
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-826615	No response to any of the valid points I made, just insults. As expected. Who's afraid to answer who? No well here, and I don't, nor have I ever, needed anybody here to rescue me from the likes of you. Just because you think you're brilliant and witty doesn't make it so. You still strike me as being just as pathetic as you were from the first post of this thread.
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05-09-2001, 10:59 PM	#313
LapDog Interloper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: KC Northland Casino cash: $10004900	TJ- I looked at the article, but it's long. I haven't read it yet, but I'll try to find the motivation. My point on the Canadians was that we are giving them a bye only because we don't know it's a problem. If I knew it was a problem, I might be upset about. I personally have no problem with Mexicans or anyone else taking the menial jobs. Somebody has to do it and I'm glad it's not me. My problem is only with the total lack of respect for our society that seems to come with many Mexican immigrants. Speak Spanish if you (generic you) want to. Celebrate May 5 if you want to. Wave the Mexican flag if you want to. But don't rub it into everyone's face. And treat your new home with respect. When you visit someone in their home, you don't insult them. You treat them with respect. It's not that hard to understand why many Americans are upset. I realize there is no law forcing you to know English, that's why I said you had a good point. I think maybe there should be a law, but I'm afraid any arguments I could come up with to support it might be rationalizations. This requires more thought than I've given it. LapDog (not upset about the Lassie comment, it was kind of funny)
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05-09-2001, 11:00 PM	#314
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-826615	And you've called ALL OF US racists throughout this thread - anyone who disagrees with you. You've done it thoroughly and consistently, and you damn well know it. It's a little hard to take the high road when you're mired in shit, pal.
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05-09-2001, 11:05 PM	#315
Rick Stephens #1 Chiefs Collector Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Garden Grove, California Casino cash: $10004900	Frazod, I don't know if you read any of my posts or not. I ask Taco to show me one school district in the United States where anything other than English was taught as the primary language. All I get is some of his name calling. I ask several other questions regarding immigration. As usual he ignores them. When confronted with any facts he just ignores them.
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