Chiefs Go on the record: Who do you want as GM and Head Coach? - Page 21

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-16-2008, 05:38 PM

Time to make some decisions, folks.

No lists, pick ONE GM.

PLEASE make this realistic. A current GM making a lateral move is not realistic.

Also: Pick a HC that you think would be a realistic choice of your GM.

Post bios if you wish.

I'll start:

GM: Eric DeCosta, 37, Director Of College Scouting, Baltimore Ravens.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...c_DeCosta.aspx

HC: Rex Ryan, 46, Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, Baltimore Ravens.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl.../Rex_Ryan.aspx

RippedmyFlesh · 12-18-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dorseybowe

Pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-Pioli. And Cowher.

Agree
To people who don't want pioli because they think its all bellicheat i say fine
hire pioli and have cower play bellicheat

**The Bad Guy** · 12-18-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Let's play a fun game here. You are head coach of the 2005 Chiefs. The starting roster Carl Peterson hands you is the following:

QB: Damon Huard
LT: Jordan Black
LG: Brian Waters
C: Casey Wiegmann (by the way, Wiegmann is starting to decline)
RG: Will Shields (by the way, he's a year away from retirement)
RT: Chris Terry
RB: Larry Johnson
FB: Tony Richardson
WR: Eddie Kennison (on the rapid decline)
WR: Samie Parker
WR: Dante Hall
TE: Tony Gonzalez

DE: Jared Allen
DT: Ryan Sims
DT: Junior Siavii
DE: Eric Hicks
OLB: Derrick Johnson
MLB: Kawika Mitchell
OLB: Kendrell Bell
FS: Greg Wesley
SS: Sammy Knight
CB: Patrick Surtain
CB: Eric Warfield

And oh, by the way, by 2008, 5 of those guys will be retired or too old to play effectively, 5 of those guys are so bad that they'll never find work outside of KC, and 4 of those guys will be situational backups. That's 14 guys you have to replace and almost all of these guys have even lousier backups backing them up.

You have 3 drafts and no money to spend to fix this mess. Your move, slick.

You can't possibly look at that 2005 roster without barfing. This team was a sinking ship well before Herm came into town, but rather than let the ship sink and then rebuild it, Peterson put some duct tape on the ship and forced it to float.

FOR THE MILLIONTH ****ING TIME, NO ONE FORCED HERMAN EDWARDS TO TAKE THIS TEAM.

He had options. He could have stayed in New York. He didn't have to come here. He chose to do so. He knew the shape the roster was in. He knew what he was getting into.

Why the **** should I feel sorry for him? His stupid ass wanted to coach here. He made promises when he was hired that he hasn't fulfilled.

I don't know how I look at a 6-30 record without barfing, but I manage to do it.

**Buehler445** · 12-18-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

FOR THE MILLIONTH ****ING TIME, NO ONE FORCED HERMAN EDWARDS TO TAKE THIS TEAM.

He had options. He could have stayed in New York. He didn't have to come here. He chose to do so. He knew the shape the roster was in. He knew what he was getting into.

Why the **** should I feel sorry for him? His stupid ass wanted to coach here. He made promises when he was hired that he hasn't fulfilled.

I don't know how I look at a 6-30 record without barfing, but I manage to do it.

I don't...

chiefzilla1501 · 12-19-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

None of herm's other qualities can compensate for his bad game day management
If you don't see that I just don't know what to say..
DO you think he'll some how get better at making gameday decisions?
And using your arguement how come vermeils old guys seemed to have less injuries than herms young bucks?
Thats a problem that has followed him from the jets.

I've said a million times that I don't think he's a good gameday coach. And I've said a million times that that's good enough reason to fire him.

I don't think I have to explain myself.

**Dylan** · 12-19-2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

FOR THE MILLIONTH ****ING TIME, NO ONE FORCED HERMAN EDWARDS TO TAKE THIS TEAM.

He had options. He could have stayed in New York. He didn't have to come here. He chose to do so. He knew the shape the roster was in. He knew what he was getting into.

Why the **** should I feel sorry for him? His stupid ass wanted to coach here. He made promises when he was hired that he hasn't fulfilled.

I don't know how I look at a 6-30 record without barfing, but I manage to do it.

Cue in D2112. ...

Reerun_KC · 12-19-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Cue in D2112. ...

I thought there was some rifts between Herm and the GM, etc...

**Dylan** · 12-19-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I thought there was some rifts between Herm and the GM, etc...

I'm not really sure what happened -- I don't actually think the reporters knew very much --

I think there is some basis in what was reported in the Daily News Dec 2007 -- Here's the article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...visit_s-3.html

Reerun_KC · 12-19-2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

I'm not really sure what happened -- I don't actually think the reporters knew very much --

I think there is some basis in what was reported in the Daily News Dec 2007 -- Here's the article:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...visit_s-3.html

everything about Herm just oozes slim and shit...

I cant wait til he is fired here...

djrcmay · 12-19-2008, 07:37 AM

Frank Ganz and Gunther Cunningham

Reerun_KC · 12-19-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by djrcmay

Frank Ganz and Gunther Cunningham

Players quit on Gun at the end of his second year... Hell even that blowhard toolbag Grunny.... He boasts about it....

**Rausch** · 12-19-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

FOR THE MILLIONTH ****ING TIME, NO ONE FORCED HERMAN EDWARDS TO TAKE THIS TEAM.

He had options. He could have stayed in New York. He didn't have to come here. He chose to do so. He knew the shape the roster was in. He knew what he was getting into.

Why the **** should I feel sorry for him? His stupid ass wanted to coach here. He made promises when he was hired that he hasn't fulfilled.

I don't know how I look at a 6-30 record without barfing, but I manage to do it.

No one told him or Carl to wait until year 3 of a 4 year deal to rebuild either.

It was clear we were an old team just barely hanging on Herm's first year. Even then we had almost no depth and very little youth...

Reerun_KC · 12-19-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No one told him or Carl to wait until year 3 of a 4 year deal to rebuild either.

It was clear we were an old team just barely hanging on Herm's first year. Even then we had almost no depth and no youth...

The rebuild was an result of Carl and Herm both trying to save their jobs....

Both tried to sell the fans a playoff push last year with and broken down LJ and Huard...

It was until about week 9 last year that they realized they where in deep shit and started the so called rebuild talk.... Since then, its been one catastrophic mess after another....

It will take the next GM and HC at least next year to get this rudderless ship righted and steering straight...

patteeu · 12-19-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Trust ownership?

This ownership stuck with the same man for 20 seasons to run this organization.

The moral of the story is this league is a production based business regardless of a rebuild. Herm has won 6 games out of 30. Sit back and think about those numbers for 2 seconds. 1 win out of every 5.

If this GM says he wants to go in another direction, it shouldn't be too hard of a sell to Clark considering just about every stat that matters points in the direction of Herm getting canned.

I'm tired of the word rebuilding too. It's rebuilding when your team sucks. Other teams win with completely overhauled rosters. What it comes down to is superior coaching.

I guess you can take this "production based business" business to any short-sighted extreme that you want. Maybe the head coach ought to be fired after each loss instead of after a single bad year. I'm talking about a little longer range thinking than you are, I guess.

Sully · 12-19-2008, 09:50 AM

So.
Let me see if I understand these herm supporters.

Forget all the blunders in game calling, challenges, clock management, and (IMO) draft picks...we simply can't dump him because it's a rebuild.

Is that about right?

Reerun_KC · 12-19-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sully

So.
Let me see if I understand these herm supporters.

Forget all the blunders in game calling, challenges, clock management, and (IMO) draft picks...we simply can't dump him because it's a rebuild.

Is that about right?

No its because Herm is the only coach in the NFL that can identify talent. Herm can win with talent, he has proven that before...

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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	Go on the record: Who do you want as GM and Head Coach? Time to make some decisions, folks. No lists, pick ONE GM. PLEASE make this realistic. A current GM making a lateral move is not realistic. Also: Pick a HC that you think would be a realistic choice of your GM. Post bios if you wish. I'll start: GM: Eric DeCosta, 37, Director Of College Scouting, Baltimore Ravens. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl...c_DeCosta.aspx HC: Rex Ryan, 46, Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, Baltimore Ravens. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/Peopl.../Rex_Ryan.aspx
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Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	So. Let me see if I understand these herm supporters. Forget all the blunders in game calling, challenges, clock management, and (IMO) draft picks...we simply can't dump him because it's a rebuild. Is that about right? __________________ "And I don't wish that girl any bad luck," he said, "but I hope she gets hit with a car." - Tommy Lasorda
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