NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 21

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think he understands much of anything to be honest with you.

I think he'd understand about 50 hits of the negative variety?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 02:57 AM

Here's Pioli-Zombat approved mock from across the hall. Oh, the humanity!

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After doing some combine research, here's my first mock draft, give me insight because I'm just starting to do stats research on the players.

Round 1 - Aaron Curry - LB - Wake Forest
Round 2 - Eben Britton - OT - California
Round 3 - Jason Gilbert - DE - San Jose State
Round 4 - Cody Brown - OLB/DE Connecticut
Round 5 - Jason Phillips - LB TCU
Round 6 - Marlon Lucky - RB - Nebraska
Round 7 - Culeen Harper - QB - Clemson

This is hoping we move to a 3-4 and find a decent center in FA moving Rudy to RG

Mecca · 02-22-2009, 02:59 AM

Anyone that would draft Cullen Harper has lost their mind.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Anyone that would draft Cullen Harper has lost their mind.

Like I said; great for a laugh and not much else.

HEY PIOLI ZOMBAT:

That mock came from Chiefs Coalition. Your superior level of ass-backwardness would be worshiped there. Does the
Zombat want a new home?

Mecca · 02-22-2009, 03:06 AM

His 2nd and 3rd round picks are fine but that 1st round pick is bad value and well at 3 that makes or breaks a draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

His 2nd and 3rd round picks are fine but that 1st round pick is bad value and well at 3 that makes or breaks a draft.

How about the ol' Musical Chairs with Jizzwanger?

ChiefsCountry · 02-22-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Anyone that would draft Cullen Harper has lost their mind.

For us yes but some team with a proven QB who wants to take a risk for a backup, not so bad.

Pioli Zombie · 02-22-2009, 07:27 AM

Good morning fellahs. Are you getting dressed for church yet?
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Good morning fellahs. Are you getting dressed for church yet?
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If by getting ready for church you mean washing out my swamp ass and getting ready to watch the combine and the final round at Riviera, sure.

Pioli Zombie · 02-22-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Yeah and if he doesn't think a LB has #3 value he wont draft them #3. If he doesn't think drafting a LT or DT in the first round back to back years is good value he wont. If he doesn't think Crabtree is worth a #3 pick he wont draft him. God damn your a ****ing idiot. You never state your opinion, you just shut everyone elses down by saying "If Pioli this, If Pioli that." Your just shooting out common sense shit that everyone already knows. If you don't have your own opinion and you don't talk to Pioli then just shut the **** up.

This is totally false. I made it very clear that if it were up to me I would pick either monroe or curry. But I was called a reerun for saying that and so does anyone else here. You don't want opinion you want only people that agree with you. You want a we must draft a qb no matter what circle jerk

Try being honest.
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kstater · 02-22-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Had I known that Pioli was packaged with this guy, I might have been less enthusiastic.

FAX

kstater · 02-22-2009, 08:01 AM

Christ, who the hell is propping him up? I took away 1 bar, he should be good to go in the red soon.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I expended a shit ton of ordinance, and I'm able to swing a decent stick.

I almost wonder if he's bankrolled by some long-surviving true fans hiding in the shadows.

Exactly what I'm thinking. I don't exactly swing a short stick.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

This is totally false. I made it very clear that if it were up to me I would pick either monroe or curry. But I was called a reerun for saying that and so does anyone else here. You don't want opinion you want only people that agree with you. You want a we must draft a qb no matter what circle jerk

Try being honest.
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So you'd either spend a top 3 pick on a LT when we already have a franchise LT, or you'd draft a cover backer with a top 3 pick, and you wonder why you were called a reerun?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-22-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater

Christ, who the hell is propping him up? I took away 1 bar, he should be good to go in the red soon.

I just lopped off five. That should help.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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