Chiefs Alex Smith vs. Rich Gannon - Page 21

FringeNC · 08-31-2013, 08:49 PM

My view is that Andy Reid has no use for "game manager" QBs. What skills did Rich Gannon have that Alex Smith does not? Rich Gannon passed for about 4500 yards one year a Reid-like offense. Why can't Alex Smith do the same? Not saying he will, but help me understand why it's not going to happen.

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 09-04-2013, 01:22 AM

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Sandy Vagina · 09-04-2013, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Mike Lupica, New York Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1442793

Ernie Accorsi's scouting report:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02...Big+Picture%29

I don't even give a shit about the NFCGG any longer, but Eli was remarkably lucky to have not thrown TWO easy interceptions in that game that would have buried his team. Both throws were right to DBs that essentially collided and screwed up the picks all by themselves. Eli also had far better weaponry in that game, and couldn't manage to do jack shit in the 2nd half. Talk about a QB carried to the SB thanks to ferocious defense, luck, and Kyle Williams turning the ball over multiple times... and on the short field. Eli has his moments of magic in his career, to be sure... but if talking about that NFCCG? Hahahaha... that mutha had huge tidal waves of good fortune carrying his ass.

9er guy · 09-04-2013, 07:43 AM

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TWO easy interceptions in that game that would have buried his team. Both throws were right to DBs that essentially collided and screwed up the picks all by themselves.

UGH........don't remind me

**Dylan** · 09-04-2013, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I don't even give a shit about the NFCGG any longer, but Eli was remarkably lucky to have not thrown TWO easy interceptions in that game that would have buried his team. Both throws were right to DBs that essentially collided and screwed up the picks all by themselves. Eli also had far better weaponry in that game, and couldn't manage to do jack shit in the 2nd half. Talk about a QB carried to the SB thanks to ferocious defense, luck, and Kyle Williams turning the ball over multiple times... and on the short field. Eli has his moments of magic in his career, to be sure... but if talking about that NFCCG? Hahahaha... that mutha had huge tidal waves of good fortune carrying his ass.

*Mac-NinersChiefs:

Perhaps someday you will make a coherent, articulate, and well-reasoned post in response to a New York Daily News story. Sadly, that day is not today.

Here is what you fail to realize:

NY Giants, QB Eli Manning - 2 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl wins!
49ers, QB Colin Kaepernick - 1 Super Bowl appearance, 0 Super Bowl wins!

*I fully do not understand the reluctance to hitch your wagon to San Francisco 49ers or Kansas City Chiefs.

Sandy Vagina · 09-04-2013, 04:06 PM

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*Mac-NinersChiefs:

*I fully do not understand the reluctance to hitch your wagon to the San Francisco 49ers or Kansas City Chiefs.

What? There is no reluctance.

My wagon is firmly and unequivocally hitched to the San Francisco 49ers.

However, there is nothing wrong with taking a close interest and appreciation for what the Chiefs are building. There isn't an aspect of that team that I dislike... and I will enjoy watching KC when my 49ers are not playing in the same time-slot... which is 12-13 games.

**Dylan** · 09-04-2013, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

What? There is no reluctance.

My wagon is firmly and unequivocally hitched to the San Francisco 49ers.

However, there is nothing wrong with taking a close interest and appreciation for what the Chiefs are building. There isn't an aspect of that team that I dislike... and I will enjoy watching KC when my 49ers are not playing in the same time-slot... which is 12-13 games.

*Mac-NinersChiefs:

I am truly at a loss on how to deal with your insecurity.

With that said, I will move on.

Sandy Vagina · 09-04-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

*Mac-NinersChiefs:

I am truly at a loss on how to deal with your insecurity.

With that said, I will move on.

Oh, well played... leave it vague, and scamper off as if you made some grand point? What insecurity, muther****er? Are you high, reeruned, or just trolling best you can?

Kaepernick · 09-04-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I don't even give a shit about the NFCGG any longer, but Eli was remarkably lucky to have not thrown TWO easy interceptions in that game that would have buried his team. Both throws were right to DBs that essentially collided and screwed up the picks all by themselves. Eli also had far better weaponry in that game, and couldn't manage to do jack shit in the 2nd half. Talk about a QB carried to the SB thanks to ferocious defense, luck, and Kyle Williams turning the ball over multiple times... and on the short field. Eli has his moments of magic in his career, to be sure... but if talking about that NFCCG? Hahahaha... that mutha had huge tidal waves of good fortune carrying his ass.

The Motto of the British SAS, Special Air Services, was "Who Dares, Wins".

I bash Eli as inconsistent. No doubt he hurts his team with foolhardy play from time to time ala Brett Favre. Yet, he has 2 super bowl rings. Why would have have 2 super bowl rings despite 2 terrible throws that BOTH SHOULD HAVE BEEN intercepted.

Yes, Eli had good fortune in his wins, just like he cost his teams the chance to advance to super bowls when his gambling failed.

Because, "who dares, wins".

In other words, winners take the appropriate risk at the appropriate time. The risk averse tend to be losers because they don't boldly reach for the brass ring, but play it safe all the way through.

Eli is foolhardy at times, which is why I do not consider him elite, yet his gambling nature paid off with 2 super bowl victories.

Alex's cautious nature precludes that. I would rather have a sound mind in Brady or Rodgers, than a gambler like Eli or Favre. But all of them gave their teams a better chance for championships than a cautious player like Alex.

Sandy Vagina · 09-04-2013, 04:43 PM

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Alex's cautious nature precludes that. I would rather have a sound mind in Brady or Rodgers, than a gambler like Eli or Favre. But all of them gave their teams a better chance for championships than a cautious player like Alex.

So Alex didn't have a bold and remarkable NFCCG vs the Giants. It happens. Many a better and more daring QBs have failed before in big games. Alex hasn't played enough games in the last couple years that required him to step up and be daring... but let's play this game. What we easily know...

Alex +1 on the Saints playoff win. Most agree with that.
Alex -1 on the Giants playoff loss. (almost worked, but Kyle Williams ****ed us)

@ Cincy 2011 - two 4th quarter drives for 10 points to separate and take the W.

@ Philly 2011 - TD drive in 4th quarter to take back the lead for good... W.

@ TB 2011 - Alex threw 3 TDs and SF beat them fools 41-3. Alex sat most of the 4th quarter in the blowout.

@ Detroit 2011 - Alex hits Walker for the 4th quarter TD to get the W.

@ NYG 2011 - 4th quarter TD pass to separate by 7 and the D holds off the rest.

@ AZ 2011 - two 2nd half TDs to separate for easy win.

Not even going to go on... there were games that Alex didn't or couldn't do enough to help his team win.. The loss @ Baltimore stands out. The 2012 losses @ Minnesota and @ NYG stands out.

... but this whole, "he refuses to take any risks" bullshit is ridiculous. He should have taken more risks in that Giants playoff game... but who could imagine that Kyle Williams would piss the game away like that? time and again.

Kaepernick · 09-04-2013, 05:02 PM

Those are all exceptions that prove the rule.

My greater point is that even an inconsistent passer like Eli can still get to and win super bowls, because sometimes their gambles pay off. Yes, sometimes they kill you, but sometimes they get lucky and their gambles pay off. Eli got lucky when the 49ers dropped 2 easy interceptions, yet his gambling eventually paid off and got him a 2nd ring.

**Mav** · 09-04-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaepernick

Those are all exceptions that prove the rule.

My greater point is that even an inconsistent passer like Eli can still get to and win super bowls, because sometimes their gambles pay off. Yes, sometimes they kill you, but sometimes they get lucky and their gambles pay off. Eli got lucky when the 49ers dropped 2 easy interceptions, yet his gambling eventually paid off and got him a 2nd ring.

Well, I wouldn't go that far.

Eli had two dropped picks, one of them which led to both Goldson and Tarrell Brown being off the field when Eli threw the td to manningham after the ball off the knee.

There was everything that went right for the Giants that went wrong for the 49ers.

I cant remember the 49er who said it, but, the best team didn't win that day.

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