***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Violation of the constitution

Is the only thing that they could do is make it similar to all of your shots as a kid that are required and then boosters?
I know you don't have to but there are repercussions if you don't like not being able to go to public and certain private schools, etc.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don't think they can make it mandatory, but you would think the threat of yearly lockdowns would be enough motivation at this point.

Impossible,

Again the Government is going to get their asses sued to hell, and they will not win in court.

There is a very CLEAR violation of many different parts of the Constitution going on in many area's right now.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Is the only thing that they could do is make it similar to all of your shots as a kid that are required and then boosters?
I know you don't have to but there are repercussions if you don't like not being able to go to public and certain private schools, etc.

Only problem with that is this doesn't effect children. But again, even with this the Government cannot force children to get vaccinated.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Impossible,

Again the Government is going to get their asses sued to hell, and they will not win in court.

There is a very CLEAR violation of many different parts of the Constitution going on in many area's right now.

Can a business make a vaccine mandatory to work for them.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

CDC: Coronavirus mainly spreads through person-to-person contact and 'does not spread easily' on contaminated surfaces

Link

Been trying to tell people this for months. It's a respiratory virus and spreads that way. There is still a large amount of people think if you just wash your hands you will be fine.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Only problem with that is this doesn't effect children. But again, even with this the Government cannot force children to get vaccinated.

Can't they mandate vaccines before attending public school, though? I thought they did. If not, they should.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I don't think they can make it mandatory, but you would think the threat of yearly lockdowns would be enough motivation at this point.

All children that attend private and state schools must be current with their vaccinations or they're not allowed to attend, so I'd imagine that while the Federal and state governments won't force citizens to have the vaccination directly, it'll be somehow mandated through other means.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Can't they mandate vaccines before attending public school, though? I thought they did. If not, they should.

They can try, but again they have waiver for it for a reason. If a parent really doesn't want kid to get vaccine, the Government cannot compel the parent to force it on them, and can not stop the kid from attending school.

Edit - I should say in some states.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Can't they mandate vaccines before attending public school, though? I thought they did. If not, they should.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

All children that attend private and state schools must be current with their vaccinations or they're not allowed to attend, so I'd imagine that while the Federal and state governments won't force citizens to have the vaccination directly, it'll be somehow mandated through other means.

It’s going to take years of research on that vaccine before you convince parents to get there children vaccinated for a disease that’s literally only killed 12 kids under the age of 14 according to the CDC data. At least I hope parents haven’t become this stupid!

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Can a business make a vaccine mandatory to work for them.

Exactly how would a company compel someones medical records?

HIPAA Prevents this.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus: Media have done a 'wonderful job frightening America'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/home-d...ca-coronavirus

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus: Media have done a 'wonderful job frightening America'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/home-d...ca-coronavirus

[Kiimo]

Old rich white dude slams media on Fox news well I never

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Old rich white dude slams media on Fox news well I never

Why does the color of his skin matter you more than the content of his character?

[LTL]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Can a business make a vaccine mandatory to work for them.

Probably different I know a lot of hospitals make it mandatory for the flu shot. Take the shot or wear a mask.