***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[farmerchief]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i must have missed where you talked about how your eyes and ears breathe...

Must be related to Nuke LaLoosh?

[ChiliConCarnage]

This is a neat site

https://biorender.com/covid-vaccine-tracker

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Canadian immigrants are the worst.

Careful, those rats are hiding behind every corner

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Pants

I'm sure pete is the guy who never loses an argument. Even when realizes he's wrong, he will keep arguing for the sake of not losing. I was like that when I was 17, I think.

It's like arguing with my ex-GF. Taking the tiniest things to an extreme, twisting things around, and changing the subject until you are just too exhausted to continue. Arguing for an hour just to end up right back where you started.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Careful, those rats are hiding behind every corner

Allegedly . . . .

[limested]

Originally Posted by srvy

What size particulate? I am guessing but I would think a microscopic COVID 19 spore whatever you call it would go through a dust mask like a dandelion seed floats through a chain-link fence.

Even with that stupid analogy some of those dandelion spores will hit the chain link and be knocked down and not pass through.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by sedated

It's like arguing with my ex-GF. Taking the tiniest things to an extreme, twisting things around, and changing the subject until you are just too exhausted to continue. Arguing for an hour just to end up right back where you started.

Two to Tango. . . . Maybe Pete wouldn't be so het up to cause havoc if there weren't so many posters venting their resentment at every anecdote social media can stuff down their gullet. Hard to reconcile anyone claiming to take the crisis seriously and soberly who devotes so much of their free time to grousing about rando Karens and Chads.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by limested

Even with that stupid analogy some of those dandelion spores will hit the chain link and be knocked down and not pass through.

Eh, I don't think it's a stupid analogy. It just doesn't quite fit given the various studies that have absolutely shown that masks catch some stuff.

The fence is fine. It's the projectile that's the issue. Perhaps the most accurate version would be a fence with hundreds of different types of sports balls being thrown at it. The fence will catch all of the basketballs and baseballs except the weird errant one that goes over the top. Golf balls are hit and miss. Marbles? Eh, those are almost entirely going right through.

And the fence is much more effective if someone is kicking balls from 2 feet away (the wearer) than it is from balls being kicked from 30 feet away, some of which are going to go above and around the fence (everyone else).

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Do you understand that the world is not always black and white?

I'd have to dig to find my source for it (I posted it probably a month ago), but it seems like it was like 30-40% reduction in particles for the wearer and 70-80% reduction of particles getting out.

Oh so now suddenly it isn't black and white???? WTF was this when I said that?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Oh so now suddenly it isn't black and white???? WTF was this when I said that?

This is a black and white statement.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Masks protect others from you, not you from others.

[limested]

Originally Posted by DaFace

This is a black and white statement.

He will use the excuse that medical masks are usually blue not black or white.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Taken by a nurse friend of mine ...

Originally Posted by Eleazar

Masks are not respirators and are not intended to be. They do reduce the spread of respiratory droplets that the virus travels on. Viruses don't fly around in the air with their own propulsion system. If you knock the majority of the droplets down at the mask or near the wearer, you knock the virus down.

Originally Posted by Monticore

Those people are still being protected by the people wearing them properly, same goes for vaccineS the anti Vaxers are still being protected by vaccines whether they believe in them or not.

Originally Posted by lewdog

Dumbass post has already been discussed. Old news from March which was mostly used as a measure to stop people from hoarding masks from front line workers and because at that time it was believed COVID-19 was more of a surface virus.

It's also been shown in the past month that this is more of an airborne transmission than a surface transmission like previously thought. Masks help stop the spread of the airborne virus if the person wearing it were contagious.

Originally Posted by Monticore

Pete I have been the one from the beginning saying masks on an individual basis are not effective at protecting people from getting it , but is more to protect people from you. surgeons wear masks to protect the patient not themselves but when blood goes flying it can still offer some when used properly.

if you are not wearing a mask but everybody around is it can reduce the viral load in the environment/air . If used properly (like sterile equipment ) it can offer short term protection in areas where social distancing is not possible.

Originally Posted by Monticore

It does both , one to a lesser degree than the other .

At first I thought you actually wanted to learn more about this , but I am starting to wonder.

So we quickly moved from masks are for protecting people from spreading it to both spreading and getting it because yeah

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Do you understand that the world is not always black and white?

I'd have to dig to find my source for it (I posted it probably a month ago), but it seems like it was like 30-40% reduction in particles for the wearer and 70-80% reduction of particles getting out.

Is all about risk limitation.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by DaFace

This is a black and white statement.

How about the precious CDC stating nothing about it preventing you from getting it? They do, however, state it is to protect others from you.

We can go round and round about this but as you can see the whole "it does both" argument just cropped up today as a matter of convenience.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So we quickly moved from masks are for protecting people from spreading it to both spreading and getting it because yeah

It is fault for assuming you had any understanding in the first place therefore didn’t think we needed to explain everything from day one in each one of our posts , you also force us to argue multiple things at once which is a very hard target to hit sometimes.

My stance on masks hasn’t changed from day 1.