***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Or because scaring the shit out people is profitable for the media...why people believe a word they say is beyond me. Everything is exaggerated, distorted, sensationalized and fabricated...

They are a fear delivery device...we were warned decades ago.

People want to be scared...they are just waiting for a new reason. It why they watch that drivel...they crave destruction from a distance.

Can’t refute that lol

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

12,000+ deaths in America during the 2009-2010 Swine Flu Pandemic... a significant % of those deaths from younger people... were you equally as panicked then?

Refer back to the supposed scientific data you are basing your panic on to explain specifically why/how the COVID-19 pandemic is and will be worse than the 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic.

Give us specifics, not hypothetical/fear mongering bullshit.

The 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic killed 12,000+ in the US and 500,000+ worldwide yet society didn’t shut down.

What is specifically different and more dangerous about COVID-19?

These ones are so funny to me.

Literally every major sport organization, public amusement park, many concerts, etc. are totally closing down operations and sacrificing millions of dollars in doing so and we have people who think this is anything like the swine flu...

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

So cancel schools and remove children from a controlled environment, generally separated from higher risk segments of the population for 8+ hours a day and increase their exposure to the rest of society?

Absolutely. Kids give it to each other, they don't even know they have it. They roll around on the ground, lick poles, whatever dirty kids do. They go home and spread it to their family. If they are at home, one family gets sick. That is it.

[Mr. Plow]

No confirmation on this as it's 2nd hand info - so take it for what it's worth.

But, my niece is a nurse at Wesley over in Wichita. She heard from someone else at the hospital that they have a confirmed case over there.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Donger

Great, so your gut. Thankfully, we have actual numbers. And no country, not even China, has seen exponential growth of cases. There are 137,000 cases GLOBALLY right now.

CDC's worst case scenario is over 1 million dead apparently but that is with no prevention techniques.

This guy was head of Medicare\Medicaid for Obama

Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.

This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 13, 2020

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

CDC's worst case scenario is over 1 million dead apparently but that is with no prevention techniques.

This guy was head of Medicare\Medicaid for Obama

Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.

This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 13, 2020

For the people who don't believe the public health officials, don't believe the media, don't believe people reporting from other countries.

Who do they believe?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

The coronavirus has spread way more than the Swine flu did.

Look if you all want to keep downplaying this virus then go ahead but i don't think that's smart. A lot of ppl could die from this including our family members and it is spreading like crazy

477 deaths in the US during the first four months of the Swine Flu pandemic, compared with about 40 deaths in the US from COVID-19 during that same comparative time-frame.

[BigRedChief]

National emergency declared. Drive by testing in Wal-Mart parking lots. Asked all govenors and hospitals to implement their emergency plans. Better late than never.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the people who don't believe the public health officials, don't believe the media, don't believe people reporting from other countries.

Who do they believe?

The gnome.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

CDC's worst case scenario is over 1 million dead apparently but that is with no prevention techniques.

This guy was head of Medicare\Medicaid for Obama

Currently experts expect over 1 million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.

This will be recorded as a major preventable public health disaster. I will try to relate what I learned from a long day of calls about what is happening.

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) March 13, 2020

Which experts?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the people who don't believe the public health officials, don't believe the media, don't believe people reporting from other countries.

Who do they believe?

Typically....

Donald.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Is the WHO exaggerating?

And the WHO works for who?...Weren't we all supposed to die of Swine flu? Wasn't Y2K going to destroy the world? I'm still waiting on ISIS and dirty bombs...

Rattling cages, working the masses into a frenzy...been going on for centuries.

Internet is godsend tool for this...

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Absolutely. Kids give it to each other, they don't even know they have it. They roll around on the ground, lick poles, whatever dirty kids do. They go home and spread it to their family. If they are at home, one family gets sick. That is it.

Happens every year after summer vacation.

[KCUnited]

Neighborhood bar and genuinely awesome spot near me is shuttering through March.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the people who don't believe the public health officials, don't believe the media, don't believe people reporting from other countries.

Who do they believe?

I have no idea and can't say I believe those numbers either but just putting it out there. That would mean an astronomical jump from where we are currently.