**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#18 AP/ #20 Coaches (10-4,1-0)

Players

Spoiler!

Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference
11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)
Conference

Spoiler!

1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. 1 p.m.
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa 8 p.m.
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas 8 p.m.
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas 3 p.m.
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas 6 p.m.
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. 8 p.m.
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. 3 p.m.
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas 7 p.m.
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. 6:30 p.m.
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. 8 p.m.
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. 8 p.m.
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. 7 p.m.
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. 11 a.m.
Big 12 Championship
3/12-15/2014 TBD Kansas City, Mo. TBD Details

[lewdog]

You KU fans realize that while that was a tournament, it wasn't the "big" tournament? Like, the only meaningful one of the end of the year? You realize this is an early season loss with a young team, right?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

how can you not buy it? Don't trust your eyes or just refuse to believe it?


when we lose it's almost always the exact same way


Self is a great guy and a very good coach but our weaknesses/strengths are pretty much exactly the same each year

9 for 25 (36%), 8 for 23 (35%), 6 for 12 (50%), 7 for 20 (35%), 4 for 13 (31%), 8 for 24 (33%), 4 for 10 (40%), 6 for 14 (42%)....

Yeah, they have a real problem.

[shitgoose]

Really botched the possession following the token white kid dagger 3 pointer

Would have liked to see Bill call a TO and setup a play. A Mason three was probably the worst shot we could have taken in that situation.

The entire game lacked flow or any type of offensive cohesiveness. Reminded me of so many Big East butt **** games I've watched waiting for KU to play on Big Monday

[Ceej]

I think a stupid shot by Tharpe would have trumped Mason's three attempt.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

we lost tonight because our offense and shooting were poor

it's not just me, the announcers and analyst say it all the time ... KU struggles shooting the ball. Been that way for years.

Bill Self wants the ball in the paint and Green,White and Frankamp will continue to sit on the bench until they can play the way Self wants them to ... defense and passing the ball.

Self has ALWAYS brought freshman a long more slowly than even I like. Yet, we seem to always be playing our best at the right time with some of those freshman/young kids playing some crucial minutes.

Frankamp - in my opinion - should have redshirted. He's not going to see much time this year outside of mop up minutes once conference starts. White/Greene, once they start doing what they need to be doing defensively will start seeing some time.

As far as the offense goes, it has always been inside out. The inside opens up the outside. That's nothing new.

[Braincase]

We ****ed up and our bigs got into foul trouble early. We missed shots, and foul trouble continues to plague us. It's over, we lost, move on.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

So what are you right about exactly? That we give up too many 3's? That teams hit too high of a % of 3's against us?

You know what it is. You guys yell all that time that i repeat the same thing over and over again.

Bill Self wants the point to come IN THE PAINT ... period. Shooting from the outside is a last resort, not part of the offense.

Shooting is not part of practice
Shooting free throws is not part of practice
Self doesn't believe is shoot-arounds and turns them into full practices where we run the same low post offense
He doesn't like it when players shoot from the outside unless the inside game as been tried several times

Is it any wonder that our shooting is poor? It's been exactly the same for years ... too long for it to not be a result of the system.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

we lost tonight because our offense and shooting were poor

it's not just me, the announcers and analyst say it all the time ... KU struggles shooting the ball. Been that way for years.

Bill Self wants the ball in the paint and Green,White and Frankamp will continue to sit on the bench until they can play the way Self wants them to ... defense and passing the ball.

305-60... .836 winning ratio. While great shooting teams are not his strength, how in the **** can you argue with his success?

[sedated]

Clearly Bill Self is the issue, imagine what we could be without him holding us back

[chiefsfan987]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

9 for 25 (36%), 8 for 23 (35%), 6 for 12 (50%), 7 for 20 (35%), 4 for 13 (31%), 8 for 24 (33%), 4 for 10 (40%), 6 for 14 (42%)....

Yeah, they have a real problem.

They shot more than twice as many 3's as we did. When teams are making them with the regularity that Villanova is you need to shoot some yourself. We were outscored 27-6 from beyond the arc. If you're going to allow them to keep launching from three you damned well better be shooting a high percentage from two.

[Bearcat]

So, Kansas loses when they shoot poorly and/or the other team shoots well. Self clearly sucks.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

9 for 25 (36%), 8 for 23 (35%), 6 for 12 (50%), 7 for 20 (35%), 4 for 13 (31%), 8 for 24 (33%), 4 for 10 (40%), 6 for 14 (42%)....

Yeah, they have a real problem.

you can pull all the numbers you want ... even post a numerical mess like that


WATCH THE GAMES ... we lose because of our offense. Our offense struggles because of our shooting. Our shooting % numbers are padding because of all the layups and point blank shots.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Shooting is not part of practice
Shooting free throws is not part of practice
Self doesn't believe is shoot-arounds and turns them into full practices where we run the same low post offense.

You need to give us some reports from practice since you seem to be there all the time.

Might as well fire Self and get the dude from division 3 that does nothing but shoot 3s all game, Im sure we would have 7 titles by now.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by sedated

You need to give us some reports from practice since you seem to be there all the time.

Might as well fire Self and get the dude from division 3 that does nothing but shoot 3s all game, Im sure we would have 7 titles by now.

Originally Posted by Bearcat

So, Kansas loses when they shoot poorly and/or the other team shoots well. Self clearly sucks.

that's it ... don't like reality so start pouting and making up bullshit

nobody says bill self sucks ... ever.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Our offense struggles because of our shooting. Our shooting % numbers are padding because of all the layups and point blank shots.

You may say people call you dumb, but what do you expect with opinions like this?

"We shoot a high percentage because we take good shots...no wonder we suck"