***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

More straw man

It's not a straw man at all. You made a claim. Back it up, please.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Why don't you go take that up with the medical experts?

Don't you have any opinion of your own , you have a brain you should be able to figure some things out on your own.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Read my post again. "Point to a single piece of information that establishes that as the genesis for that belief." I didn't say, "show that the mortality rate is lower for this cohort."

There have been people in here since the beginning of the thread saying that this is not as bad as the flu, and absolutely none of that was based on evidence, because they weren't looking at evidence. First it was "it's not the flu," then it was "it's not as bad as H1N1," then it was, "look at all the comorbidities," then it was, "look at how many people who die are in nursing homes." Every attempt is made to move the goalposts rather than acknowledging what is plainly obvious--that this is a very real health emergency that none of us have seen an equivalent to in our lifetimes.

So you were wanting me to show “data” to show how people are “perceiving” things. Uhhh...you realize how stupid your request is now right?

Do you suppose that a pharmacist going out of his way to not answer a yes or no question ruins peoples perceptions to this? It definitely makes it seem like you have an agenda. I’m simply pointing out that the flu is more deadly than the coronavirus for anyone younger than 24. I pointed to data from the CDC to support this theory. Why are you so against answering this yes or no question?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Dude shuts down every conspiracy theory that doesn’t fit his narrative, and claims to be all about the facts/data, but he pushes the conspiracy about Florida’s data? That tells me everything I need to know.

Maybe his agenda/narrative is just being right because he’s an arrogant prick.

My car mechanic can diagnosis the problem with my car more than i could is he an arrogant prick if he says i am wrong?

If i tell a doctor i think the reason for a patients pain is not what he thought it was does that make me arrogant?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Dude shuts down every conspiracy theory that doesn’t fit his narrative, and claims to be all about the facts/data, but he pushes the conspiracy about Florida’s data? That tells me everything I need to know.

Maybe his agenda/narrative is just about being right because he’s an arrogant prick, but he clearly has one that he’s pushing.

Whoa now there are states cooking numbers, Georgia has done a whole bunch of stuff that basically manipulates stats until it gives the look they want.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Whoa now there are states cooking numbers, Georgia has done a whole bunch of stuff that basically manipulates stats until it gives the look they want.

If things got as bad as you all claimed it would opening up, there would be no hiding it.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Meh, I stated that wrong. My bad. Masks are good at preventing you from spreading not getting.

It helps both ways if both parties are wearing one and we can kill this virus in a short amount of time if we can get everyone to wear masks. But I know that is impossible so pointless to argue about it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

So you were wanting me to show “data” to show how people are “perceiving” things. Uhhh...you realize how stupid your request is now right?

Do you suppose that a pharmacist going out of his way to not answer a yes or no question ruins peoples perceptions to this? It definitely makes it seem like you have an agenda. I’m simply pointing out that the flu is more deadly than the coronavirus for anyone younger than 24. I pointed to data from the CDC to support this theory. Why are you so against answering this yes or no question?

I think his agenda is to educate period, which i have been very grateful for, do i just take what he says as gospel no, i take his info cross reference it with what i know based of what i learned from 24 years of medical experience my wife's 24 years of medical experience my co workers 100s of years of medical experience and decide whether or not it makes sense.

Am I in a better position to understand what hamas says more than somebody without that knowledge , it might depend on the person i guess but odds would be better anyways.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

If things got as bad as you all claimed it would opening up, there would be no hiding it.

Give it a bit longer than 5 minutes in the grand scheme of things...I also don't expect some type of massive super spike because of summer. It will not be a good sign though if numbers hold consistent though since generally a virus like that isn't suppose to be as common during summer.

Although now is probably a good time to start paying attention to South America since they are entering their cold and flu season.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Do you think hamas could potentially see through all the bullshit online better than somebody else ?

So now he is the world's BS detector and all these highly educated people are full of shit???

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Monticore

My car mechanic can diagnosis the problem with my car more than i could is he an arrogant prick he says i am wrong?

If i tell a doctor i think the reason for a patients pain is not what he thought it was does that make me arrogant?

Address what I said or shut the **** up. Dude is full of shit when he wants to condemn people for spreading misinformation when he’s pushing a conspiracy theory based on the word of one woman with a criminal history.

You all can continue to act like a guy on CP is the leading expert on Corona if you want to.

[Donger]

Pete, do you think that masks stop some droplet spread from the person wearing said mask?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Doom and gloom.

Example:

Florida isn’t as bad as I wanted it to be so I’m going to roll with a conspiracy theory as to why the data doesn’t fit my narrative even though I shut down every conspiracy theory that doesn’t fit my narrative.

As bad as I wanted it to be? Get the **** out of here.

Regarding conspiracy theories:

When the state tells medical examiners to stop disclosing causes of death and then separately fires the person who designed the dashboard for reporting information about the epidemic, posting information about that is not a conspiracy theory--it's disseminating news.

My stance on this entire pandemic has been pretty clear from the beginning--we need to be careful and patient. Pointing out very real problems with studies that have been published in haste is not forecasting doom, and informing people that data on the panacea of the week is incomplete is not being gloomy. When posters were in here arguing that we could never get the R0 low enough and we should just let the disease wash through, I was the one saying that we could get it below 1, and that these efforts were worth undertaking, not only to flatten the curve, but to show that the virus could be stamped out if we were diligent. When serology studies demonstrated that the lockdowns reduced R0 in France by 77%, it was me that posted that data. That's not doom and gloom. People need good information to best fight this disease. If people want to see me as pessimistic because I point out that a retrospective study without a control group that has serious methodological problems is not the gospel, then so be it--they need to understand that not all data is created equal.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So now he is the world's BS detector and all these highly educated people are full of shit???

In his field of expertise he is better qualified than you yes.

See pete that is how you answer a question.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Give it a bit longer than 5 minutes in the grand scheme of things...I also don't expect some type of massive super spike because of summer. It will not be a good sign though if numbers hold consistent though since generally a virus like that isn't suppose to be as common during summer.

Although now is probably a good time to start paying attention to South America since they are entering their cold and flu season.

First it was 2 weeks...

Florida closed down “too late” and opened up “too early” and we’re STILL waiting. They said wait 2 weeks 8 weeks ago.

Move those goalposts though!