***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

It really is a no win situation here. If this ends up not being bad, people will say the public health sector is full of shit. They won't think for a minute that prevention strategies helped

If it kills a million people, you will hear about how we didn't do enough.

I'm glad people have the balls to make tough decisions.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The swine flu mortality rate was 0.02%.

The Coronavirus is 3% on the low end. Just think about the difference there. I mean shit.

LMFAO

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Anyone want to put a wager on the one million number?

Sensationalized fear mongering horseshit...but people will remember it...OMG OMG ONE MILLION.

Please. Even a Presidential candidate is saying that the effects of the coronavirus could be devastating.

"Nobody knows what the number of fatalities may end up being or the number of people who may get ill, and we all hope that that number will be as low as possible," Sanders, a 2020 presidential candidate, said during a speech from Vermont.

"But we also have to face the truth and that is that the number of casualties may actually be even higher than what the armed forces experienced in World War II. In other words, we have a major, major crisis and we must act accordingly."

Sanders' prediction seemed to align with worst-case projections released by the Centers for Disease Control. The agency reportedly offered percentage estimates that into a death count range from 200,000 to 1.7 million. The U.S. military saw more than 400,000 deaths and nearly 700,000 wounded as a result of World War

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernie...us-wwii-deaths

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

12,000+ deaths in America during the 2009-2010 Swine Flu Pandemic... a significant % of those deaths from younger people... were you equally as panicked then?

Refer back to the supposed scientific data you are basing your panic on to explain specifically why/how the COVID-19 pandemic is and will be worse than the 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic.

Give us specifics, not hypothetical/fear mongering bullshit.

The 2009-2010 Swine Flu pandemic killed 12,000+ in the US and 500,000+ worldwide yet society didn’t shut down.

What is specifically different and more dangerous about COVID-19?

My son, kindergarten at the time, had H1N1. It was the worst thing I've ever endured as a parent. I'm not sure what you mean, specifically, by "panicked", but I've never been so worried about one of my sons in my life as I was during that 2-week period.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

This is an impressive roll-out by @realDonaldTrump of CEO's of major companies coming together to fight the coronavirus -while declaring a national emergency. The markets jumped 800+ points since this news conference started. A nation fighting a problem together--IS the message

— Bret Baier (@BretBaier) March 13, 2020

Funny how this conveniently started during a political season....I'm sure the timing is purely coincidental.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Funny how this conveniently started during a political season....I'm sure the timing is purely coincidental.

It started in China. So ****ing stupid.

Tell you what though, regardless of the whys and hows, the president underestimated and mishandled this one from the jump.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The swine flu mortality rate was 0.02%.

The Coronavirus is 3% on the low end. Just think about the difference there. I mean shit.

Folks here tend to be completely unable to understand orders of magnitude when presented as such; I doubt many actually CAN conceive the difference.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Anyone want to put a wager on the one million number?

Sensationalized fear mongering horseshit...but people will remember it...OMG OMG ONE MILLION.

I debated putting that out there and probably shouldn't have because I don't believe it currently. But the CDC does have a worst case scenario number of over 1 million so it is not totally out of left field.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/u...-estimate.html

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

This is an impressive roll-out by @realDonaldTrump of CEO's of major companies coming together to fight the coronavirus -while declaring a national emergency. The markets jumped 800+ points since this news conference started. A nation fighting a problem together--IS the message

— Bret Baier (@BretBaier) March 13, 2020

Originally Posted by RunKC

Almost 2,000 now

all of this should have been done 3 weeks ago when he was saying it’s going to be zero cases soon. The stock market wouldn’t have tanked for sure.
The government can’t do everything. It has to be a private company/government effort. There is no other way.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Please. Even a Presidential candidate is saying that the effects of the coronavirus could be devastating.

"Nobody knows what the number of fatalities may end up being or the number of people who may get ill, and we all hope that that number will be as low as possible," Sanders, a 2020 presidential candidate, said during a speech from Vermont.

"But we also have to face the truth and that is that the number of casualties may actually be even higher than what the armed forces experienced in World War II. In other words, we have a major, major crisis and we must act accordingly."

Sanders' prediction seemed to align with worst-case projections released by the Centers for Disease Control. The agency reportedly offered percentage estimates that into a death count range from 200,000 to 1.7 million. The U.S. military saw more than 400,000 deaths and nearly 700,000 wounded as a result of World War

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernie...us-wwii-deaths

Quoting the media doesn't mean shit to me...especially one owned by Murdoch.

"Nobody knows" was they first thing he said....and they will feast on this uncertainty.

[displacedinMN]

waiting for the complaint that CEO's burned too much fuel in traveling on private jets.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Hopefully not, I think we’re taking steps that should slow the spread down enough to at least give healthcare workers a shot at saving some people. But the experts are the ones passing the info along.

According to the census, $40.3 million or 13% of the US is 65 and older. Those are the people most vulnerable to this.

People under 40 have a 0.2% risk and 40-50 aged folks have a 0.4% risk.

This mass hysteria is overblown dude. Yes we need to take it seriously but **** dude. This is targeting the elderly, specifically the obese, cancerous and other heath risk factor people.

Yes we need to be serious about it, but the media is acting like this is going to killl us all.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It started in China. So ****ing stupid.

Tell you what though, regardless of the whys and hows, the president underestimated and mishandled this one from the jump.

Well if you listen to China the US army Brought the virus to them

[Chiefs4TheWin]

PA just shut down schools for two weeks to prevent spreading.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

Quoting the media doesn't mean shit to me...especially one owned by Murdoch.

Take your stupid ass to the DC.