***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

I was curious how it would look at the Lake of the Ozarks and I am not surprised. We had a shit ton of traffic come through here yesterday and today.

This is what’s happening right now at the Lake of the Ozarks pic.twitter.com/ipdiAkxDM7

— Nick Dyer (@nicholasddyer) May 24, 2020

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Just came on the news that a 2cnd stylist at that location has tested positive.

If you hear anything more keep updating us. I think this will be a good experiment to see how well it spreads with masks on. Hopefully the city shuts them down for a very long time.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I was curious how it would look at the Lake of the Ozarks and I am not surprised. We had a shit ton of traffic come through here yesterday and today.

This is what’s happening right now at the Lake of the Ozarks pic.twitter.com/ipdiAkxDM7

— Nick Dyer (@nicholasddyer) May 24, 2020

Has the state removed the limits on people in gatherings and distancing?
I don't think that they have. If they have not then the management of this place and others that are allowing this type of "behavior" should be held accountable for allowing this to continue.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

If you hear anything more keep updating us. I think this will be a good experiment to see how well it spreads with masks on. Hopefully the city shuts them down for a very long time.

North Bay stores were packed with families today nobody wearing masks other than me i saw one other person wearing one .

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Has the state removed the limits on people in gatherings and distancing?
I don't think that they have. If they have not then the management of this place and others that are allowing this type of "behavior" should be held accountable for allowing this to continue.

Nope we are still in Phase 1. They should have continued the lock down until after this weekend because people are stupid.

[BigCatDaddy]

Are most of you at least figuring out you are in the minority on this shit?

[cdcox]

Cowboys and cowgirls like the hair dresser and the Lake of the Ozarks crowd are going to end up shutting down the economy.

To keep things open, everyone needs to be doing these:

1. Wash hands (20 seconds, about 10x per day)
2. Social distance when ever possible
3. Check your symptoms every day. If you have any new cold/flu symptom, stay home*
4. Wear a mask in public places (primarily to protect other people from you)

There are 100K people walking around in the US right now who are spreading to others and don't know they are sick. Until everyone starts acting like they might be the sick one, we are risking reentering exponential growth. If a geographic area is in exponential growth, it will get shut down sooner or later.

My university is making serious plans to reopen in August under the guidelines listed above (with a lot more detail). However, I know that a certain fraction of students will be doing the Lake of the Ozarks thing when they aren't in class. That will bring the whole thing down.

* Ideally anyone who has even a single cold/flu symptom could get tested and quickly find out the results, and go about their business if they were negative. Without testing capacity I understand the temptation to say, "it's just allergies".

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Cowboys and cowgirls like the hair dresser and the Lake of the Ozarks crowd are going to end up shutting down the economy.

To keep things open, everyone needs to be doing these:

1. Wash hands (20 seconds, about 10x per day)
2. Social distance when ever possible
3. Check your symptoms every day. If you have any new cold/flu symptom, stay home*
4. Wear a mask in public places (primarily to protect other people from you)

There are 100K people walking around in the US right now who are spreading to others and don't know they are sick. Until everyone starts acting like they might be the sick one, we are risking reentering exponential growth. If a geographic area is in exponential growth, it will get shut down sooner or later.

My university is making serious plans to reopen in August under the guidelines listed above (with a lot more detail). However, I know that a certain fraction of students will be doing the Lake of the Ozarks thing when they aren't in class. That will bring the whole thing down.

* Ideally anyone who has even a single cold/flu symptom could get tested and quickly find out the results, and go about their business if they were negative. Without testing capacity I understand the temptation to say, "it's just allergies".

Being outside at a pool party or lake when it's humid out is not an ideal environment for the virus to spread. It will spread, but at a much lower rate. I bet in a dry, cold day in January at a high school gymnasium for a bball game might be up to 10 times worse.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Are most of you at least figuring out you are in the minority on this shit?

I think most people here knew if you leave it to the average person the make the right decision it would end badly that is why the government had to force them and when you give people an inch they will take a mile and be the first ones to complain when they shut things down again.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I was curious how it would look at the Lake of the Ozarks and I am not surprised. We had a shit ton of traffic come through here yesterday and today.

This is what’s happening right now at the Lake of the Ozarks pic.twitter.com/ipdiAkxDM7

— Nick Dyer (@nicholasddyer) May 24, 2020

Not surprised that the kind of people that frequent the lake would also be the kind of people that don’t give a shit about public health.

Shithole lake and shittier people that visit it. White Trash Mecca.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I think most people here knew if you leave it to the average person the make the right decision it would end badly that is why the government had to force them and when you give people an inch they will take a mile and be the first ones to complain when they shut things down again.

Nothing is getting shut down again.

Part of governing and the decision making needs to be based on what people will do, not what you want them to do. If there is a lesson to take away from this it's that.

You can scream at the sky all day long but it's pretty obvious most are doing things as they always have. Make decisions on that.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Being outside at a pool party or lake when it's humid out is not an ideal environment for the virus to spread. It will spread, but at a much lower rate. I bet in a dry, cold day in January at a high school gymnasium for a bball game might be up to 10 times worse.

Everything you said could be true and it is still irresponsible behavior that endangers the economy, if that is something you really care about.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Nothing is getting shut down again.

Part of governing and 5he decision making needs to be based on what people will do, not what you want them to do. If there is a lesson to take away from it's that.

I'll bump this sooner or later. There will be additional shutdowns based on current behavior.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Nothing is getting shut down again.

Part of governing and decision making needs to be based 9n what people will do, not what you want them to do. If there is a lesson to take away from it's that.

Even if we only avg 700 deaths a day until 2021, thats 140k or so plus the 100k+ we already have. Is 240k deaths an acceptable result? Depends on ones opinion.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

Hospital officials have reported several people were infected with Covid-19 at a "high school swim party" in north Arkansas, Gov. Asa Hutchinson said at a briefing Saturday.

"I'm sure everybody thought was harmless. They're young, they're swimming, they're just having activity and positive cases resulted from that," Hutchinson said. "

"During this Memorial (Day) weekend, we want to be out and we want to enjoy ourselves, we want to remember this holiday and those that have served our country and given their lives in service of our country. But let's be safe and let's be disciplined at the same time," Hutchinson said.

The governor declined to provide further details on the swim party, saying "it is an important anecdote for people to understand how easy that this can spread and that we still need to be careful."

As CNN has reported, the Arkansas governor never issued a stay-at-home order to his citizens as a way to limit the spread of coronavirus nationwide.

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