Browns sign Kareem Hunt

[Bump]

I feel like we should get a compensation pick for this, Chiefs do the NFL a favor and cut one of the best RBs in the league right after news came out for good PR. Then some other team gets to just pick him up for next season for cheap, while we are out of a recent 3rd round pick. Doesn't seem right.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Bump

I feel like we should get a compensation pick for this, Chiefs do the NFL a favor and cut one of the best RBs in the league right after news came out for good PR. Then some other team gets to just pick him up for next season for cheap, while we are out of a recent 3rd round pick. Doesn't seem right.

No, we should get no compensation at all for this.
The NFL NEVER asked us to let go of the best runner of the league for free.
It was a PC move aimed at earning us some general consensus and to please the media, so we already got AMPLE compensation.
Sure, you don't win Superbowls out of PC and general consensus, but that's an altogether different matter, and one that don't seem so high on the priority list of whoever decided to "donate" the top running back of the league to some other team.

I'm not questioning Mahomes being a generational talent, but matter of fact his stats have changed quite a bit since Hunt is gone.
Williams is a good running back, but not one you need to plan and double against.
That's why he made good numbers, and something that should be remembered every time we will see linebackers blitzing with DB playing man to man next year, same as the pats did on the AFCCG, because there was no Hunt to look out for.
We all know next year stats for Mahomes won't be the same as this year, and we will basically have a one-dimensional offense, with an average running back who can run for a fair gain here and there thrown in for good measure.
Given our offensive line, a RB who can make yards after contact (which Williams is not) is worth his weight in gold.

This stupid decision to release Hunt is one that will come back to bite us when it hurts the most, same as it did in the AFCCG this year.
Hope (and think) the "new" defense can make up for that, nonetheless letting Hunt go is something we will regret for a long time.

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Clark Hunt has a business. One of his employees lied to him. Not about a minor infraction, but about something quite serious and something that could certainly impact the value of said business.

In football, the value of "said business" is STRICTLY AND DIRECTLY related to the number of Superbowls you win.
And yes, in order to win multiple Superbowls you certainly have to be "desperate" about it. This hardly comes as a "byproduct" of management aimed at general consensus.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

I'm not questioning Mahomes being a generational talent, but matter of fact his stats have changed quite a bit since Hunt is gone.

That includes games against the two toughest defenses we faced all season(Balt, healthy Bosa San Diego). In the 7 games overall without Hunt, the Chiefs put up an average over 30 ppg. Including 31 ppg in each playoff game. With even a moderately below league average defense, this team probably wins the SB and no one here ever GAF about Kareem Hunt again.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

That includes games against the two toughest defenses we faced all season(Balt, healthy Bosa San Diego).

...and one game in which we were blanked in the first half against a mediocre defense.
I'm not saying this loss is on the offense, this would be stupid, but I guess it's hard to deny that had we scored a couple TD in the first half that game would have taken a different route.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

...and one game in which we were blanked in the first half against a mediocre defense.
I'm not saying this loss is on the offense, this would be stupid, but I guess it's hard to deny that had we scored a couple TD in the first half that game would have taken a different route.

Absolutely. But I put that much more on Andy Reid and the O line then I do the lack of Kareem Hunt

[Jimkcchief88]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

No, we should get no compensation at all for this.
The NFL NEVER asked us to let go of the best runner of the league for free.
It was a PC move aimed at earning us some general consensus and to please the media, so we already got AMPLE compensation.
Sure, you don't win Superbowls out of PC and general consensus, but that's an altogether different matter, and one that don't seem so high on the priority list of whoever decided to "donate" the top running back of the league to some other team.

I'm not questioning Mahomes being a generational talent, but matter of fact his stats have changed quite a bit since Hunt is gone.
Williams is a good running back, but not one you need to plan and double against.
That's why he made good numbers, and something that should be remembered every time we will see linebackers blitzing with DB playing man to man next year, same as the pats did on the AFCCG, because there was no Hunt to look out for.
We all know next year stats for Mahomes won't be the same as this year, and we will basically have a one-dimensional offense, with an average running back who can run for a fair gain here and there thrown in for good measure.
Given our offensive line, a RB who can make yards after contact (which Williams is not) is worth his weight in gold.

This stupid decision to release Hunt is one that will come back to bite us when it hurts the most, same as it did in the AFCCG this year.
Hope (and think) the "new" defense can make up for that, nonetheless letting Hunt go is something we will regret for a long time.


In football, the value of "said business" is STRICTLY AND DIRECTLY related to the number of Superbowls you win.
And yes, in order to win multiple Superbowls you certainly have to be "desperate" about it. This hardly comes as a "byproduct" of management aimed at general consensus.

Another on the $$$ post here. The Patriots as a franchise are second in value on the to the Dallas Cowboys. That's according to Forbes. The bottom five???? Bucs, Browns, Bungles, Lions, and Bills. Five teams that have 1 Superbowl win in between them. Clark made a decision that his image and his franchise image was more important than winning. So he discarded KH for nothing and Dorsey picked up the fumble. The Steelers still haven't L. Bell. In fact it sounds like they are going to tag him again in efforts get some compensation. Why let an All-Pro running back walk for nothing??? But silver-spoon Clark Hunt??? He didn't build the franchise, is not a football guy, and is more concerned about running a "respectable business" than winning. The shame is that there is a large group of Chiefs fans that are ok with that.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Bump

I feel like we should get a compensation pick for this, Chiefs do the NFL a favor and cut one of the best RBs in the league right after news came out for good PR. Then some other team gets to just pick him up for next season for cheap, while we are out of a recent 3rd round pick. Doesn't seem right.

I think its complete bullshit too and we would have rolled over the Patriots and beaten the Rams in the Super Bowl.

[tk13]

This is a dumb thing to meltdown over. Spend 20 years on these forums complaining that RBs are overrated and don't lead to championships, and what we need is a QB, and now we're doing just that and everyone loses their mind. If this was Mahomes there'd be a valid point here. But to sit here and use words like "generational talent" like the guy is Barry Sanders or Walter Payton is just way overdramatic. Hunt's a talented guy though and hopefully he's truly changed as a person.

Dude has multiple incidents that are being investigated and he lied about them on top of it. We have an all world offense, the best QB in the world and a coach who has a long history of finding All Star level running back talent. Draft another RB and get to work. If the Chiefs fail it's because Mahomes got hurt or Veach never fixed the defense.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by tk13

This is a dumb thing to meltdown over. Spend 20 years on these forums complaining that RBs are overrated and don't lead to championships, and what we need is a QB, and now we're doing just that and everyone loses their mind. If this was Mahomes there'd be a valid point here. But to sit here and use words like "generational talent" like the guy is Barry Sanders or Walter Payton is just way overdramatic. Hunt's a talented guy though and hopefully he's truly changed as a person.

Dude has multiple incidents that are being investigated and he lied about them on top of it. We have an all world offense, the best QB in the world and a coach who has a long history of finding All Star level running back talent. Draft another RB and get to work. If the Chiefs fail it's because Mahomes got hurt or Veach never fixed the defense.

Your sound logic and measured take have no place in this thread. GTFO.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by tk13

This is a dumb thing to meltdown over. Spend 20 years on these forums complaining that RBs are overrated and don't lead to championships, and what we need is a QB, and now we're doing just that and everyone loses their mind. If this was Mahomes there'd be a valid point here. But to sit here and use words like "generational talent" like the guy is Barry Sanders or Walter Payton is just way overdramatic. Hunt's a talented guy though and hopefully he's truly changed as a person.

Dude has multiple incidents that are being investigated and he lied about them on top of it. We have an all world offense, the best QB in the world and a coach who has a long history of finding All Star level running back talent. Draft another RB and get to work. If the Chiefs fail it's because Mahomes got hurt or Veach never fixed the defense.

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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by tk13

This is a dumb thing to meltdown over. Spend 20 years on these forums complaining that RBs are overrated and don't lead to championships, and what we need is a QB, and now we're doing just that and everyone loses their mind. If this was Mahomes there'd be a valid point here. But to sit here and use words like "generational talent" like the guy is Barry Sanders or Walter Payton is just way overdramatic. Hunt's a talented guy though and hopefully he's truly changed as a person.

Dude has multiple incidents that are being investigated and he lied about them on top of it. We have an all world offense, the best QB in the world and a coach who has a long history of finding All Star level running back talent. Draft another RB and get to work. If the Chiefs fail it's because Mahomes got hurt or Veach never fixed the defense.

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[kcpasco]

Clark Hunt is a ****ing idiot. He’s lucky he landed Mahomes or this franchise would still be mediocre at best. That’s my opinion and all I’m going to say because I already melted down over cutting him before 24 hours even passed. I wish we had a better owner.

Should have just suspended him for the season but Clarky ego was hurt because he was lied to.

[Sassy Squatch]

As if Hunt was going to play another down of football in 2018. He was going on the exempt list no matter what we did.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

As if Hunt was going to play another down of football in 2018. He was going on the exempt list no matter what we did.

It's not a matter of how many downs he would have played in 2018.
It's a matter of how many downs he will play in 2019, who they will be played for, and what we get in return for those downs not being played for us.

The EXACT SAME statement from John Dorsey may/should have come from Clark Hunt. I fully subscribe to the Dorsey statement when he mentions "clinic professionals".
That's a sensible statement from a GM who won't pass up on a chance to improve his team while minimizing PR issues.

Only reason KHunt should have been TRADED (not released) is if he was positive to CTE antibodies. I agree we don't need another Jovan Belcher as someone else said earlier on this thread.
A bad temper is one thing, a bad temper associated with the possibility of a brain disease is another thing.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by IUsedToBeATightEnd

It's not a matter of how many downs he would have played in 2018.
It's a matter of how many downs he will play in 2019, who they will be played for, and what we get in return for those downs not being played for us.

The EXACT SAME statement from John Dorsey may/should have come from Clark Hunt. I fully subscribe to the Dorsey statement when he mentions "clinic professionals".
That's a sensible statement from a GM who won't pass up on a chance to improve his team while minimizing PR issues.

Only reason KHunt should have been TRADED (not released) is if he was positive to CTE antibodies. I agree we don't need another Jovan Belcher as someone else said earlier on this thread.
A bad temper is one thing, a bad temper associated with the possibility of a brain disease is another thing.

There are posters above acting like he made the difference between us winning and not winning the Super Bowl this year because we released him. He wasn't playing regardless of what we did.

As for 2019 and beyond, I just don't give that much of a ****. Kareem Hunt realistically plays at most another season and a half of football for us if we don't cut him. Considering the fact that he's a RB, it just doesn't matter that much to me. We can easily find a suitable replacement, if we haven't already in Damien Williams.

What in the **** does CTE have to do with any of it? He's an asshole when he's drunk. That's it.