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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**Skip Towne** · 12-21-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only thing Marty has ever proven is that he can win enough games in the regular season to get to the playoffs.

Once he's there, he prompty shits his drawers.

Time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

And we've done so much better since he left.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, that really sucked for Jack Kent Cooke, Art & Dan Rooney, Wellington Mara & Steve Tisch, Art Model, Eddie DeBartolo, Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft.

They all hate their teams.

Whoa Dane, don't lower the booms on me. You are taking something I said and twisting it.

Hate their team?

In any walk of life whether it is business or personal, letting emotion rule your decisions will cloud judgement.

The owners you listed are the minority, and I will also say that they probably stayed out, or put their emotion to the side when it came to the big decisions on the team.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

this still doesn't explain how the people who are backing another year for Haley had playoff expectations... jesus, explain yourself

Jesus doesn't have to answer to anyone.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I give him credit for picking this organization off the mat. It's pretty clear that it was Marty, and not Carl, who was responsible for the revival of the franchise.

Dude is one hell of a coach.

Now, come playoff time, it's time to look for option B; he's just not meant to win. Fumbles, fluke plays...story of Marty's life, sadly.

I don't and I'll tell you why: He won with Jim Schaaf and Jack Steadman's players. I think his personnel decisions are horrific and definitely on par with our current "leaders".

Spanos did the right thing in firing Marty. There's no way in hell I'd turn my draft over to him.

Mike Junkin at #5 overall?

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

And we've done so much better since he left.

And he has done just about as much in the playoffs since as well...

So whats the point?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

And we've done so much better since he left.

That's not the point

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Jesus doesn't have to answer to anyone.

We are we dragging Aaron Curry into this?

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It makes you a certifiable ass licker.

Lamar Hunt went into the business of football because he was a smart business man. He invested $25,000 dollars and when he died, that investment was worth nearly ONE BILLION DOLLARS, yet his team sucked ****ing ass for nearly 40 years.

Go **** yourself, moron.

I'm more considered about your ****ing Dan Snyder bullshit... obviously you're avoiding that shit at all costs because its an un-****ing believable argument for firing Haley

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't and I'll tell you why: He won with Jim Schaaf and Jack Steadman's players. I think his personnel decisions are horrific and definitely on par with our current "leaders".

Spanos did the right thing in firing Marty. There's no way in hell I'd turn my draft over to him.

Mike Junkin at #5 overall?

You have a valid point about his personnel decisions, so I probably did the King a disservice.

But, come on, Marty can coach his ass off (until week 18

).

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

We are we dragging Aaron Curry into this?

Curry's birthday celebration is coming up.......

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

We are we dragging Aaron Curry into this?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Whoa Dane, don't lower the booms on me. You are taking something I said and twisting it.

Hate their team?

In any walk of life whether it is business or personal, letting emotion rule your decisions will cloud judgement.

The owners you listed are the minority, and I will also say that they probably stayed out, or put their emotion to the side when it came to the big decisions on the team.

Here's the deal, Dude:

The best and most consistent teams in the NFL are that way because of ownership.

Plain and simple.

Whether you're talking about the Mara's and the Giants, the Rooney's and the Steelers, Model & Cleveland/Baltimore, the Patriots and Bob Kraft, Jeff Lurie & the Eagles, DeBartolo and the 49ers, JKC and the 'Skins and so on.

Owners that demand championships get championships.

The Hunt family has never demanded a damn thing.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:29 PM

Three kings brought gifts to the newborn Jesus Curry as he slept in a manger...........

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You have a valid point about his personnel decisions, so I probably did the King a disservice.

But, come on, Marty can coach his ass off (until week 18

).

Actually if I remember right, didnt Marty get some of the personnel control in the late 90's that produced the phrase "Bones, Thugs and Marty"?

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Here's the deal, Dude:

The best and most consistent teams in the NFL are that way because of ownership.

Plain and simple.

Whether you're talking about the Mara's and the Giants, the Rooney's and the Steelers, Model & Cleveland/Baltimore, the Patriots and Bob Kraft, Jeff Lurie & the Eagles, DeBartolo and the 49ers, JKC and the 'Skins and so on.

Owners that demand championships get championships.

The Hunt family has never demanded a damn thing.

Fair enough Dane... But Snyder? Come on.. Dude is KooKo for Cocoa Puffs....

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3027187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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