We are not taking a QB in the first round

[TheGuardian]

Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

Thank you and have a nice new years day.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

I will say this, however, if Phillips were fired in Dallas, and the Chiefs hired him (about as likely as winning the lotto, but I digress), Boss Chief's idea of drafting Suh and and moving Dorsey to the nose would be a great idea.

I would be happier than when I heard we signed Ty Law.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

If we were talking about a 5th year senior who had started for 4 years and broke a million records, had no mechanics issues, and no injury history then it'd be good enough. In other words, if Manning was out there yeah. But the fact is most juniors that come out fail and fail miserably. No junior is ever worth taking as far as I am concerned because the failure rate in junior QB's is so high.

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yes. that's exactly what happened every game, every play in 2008. WR screens. He never ever completed any pass downfield. Duh. Clearly you didn't watch any Patriots games in 2008. He had back to back 400 yard games throwing WR screens. Sure.
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Pass Thrown: Behind line 81 95 741 85.3 7.80 76 3 1 0.0 105.3 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds. 184 267 1856 68.9 6.95 64 6 2 0.0 92.8 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 54 116 825 46.6 7.11 37 8 6 0.0 72.0 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 18 172 33.3 9.56 51 3 1 0.0 86.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds. 1 14 33 7.1 2.36 33 0 0 0.0 39.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 41+ yds. 1 6 66 16.7 11.00 66 1 1 0.0 72.9 0 0 0.0 0 0

2-20 on passes over 30 yards.

Id say the statement was pretty accurate

[TheGuardian]

There was an article I read a while back talking about how starts/time in college ARE in fact very important and are tied in with a QB's success rate in the NFL. Basically when you start as little as Sanchez did, you have almost no shot. Not that he was even worth a shit at USC anyway in his limited time.

[SPATCH]

I'd rather wait for a guy like Ryan Mallett or Blaine Gabbert.

Jimmy Clausen is a pussy. There is no way he is an upgrade over Cassel.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Someone is going to come into this thread and berate you saying that every single one of those guys looked better than Sanchez.

Do you really want to put Sanchez rookie season up against Peyton Manning?

[Sweet Dick Willy]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Stafford and Sanchez have nearly identical stats this year.

Stafford was a 3 year starter, and Sanchez started 1 year.

Stafford has the better weapons to throw to, while Sanchez has the better OL and running game.

I don't think college starts really has THAT much to do with it - both guys have played like rookies this year.

And that's what everybody seems to forget - Rothlisberger, Ryan, etc are the exception, not the rule.

Peyton sucked his rookie year. So did Aikman. So did Elway. Fact is, almost ALL rookie QB's have a learning curve.

Christ, it took Eli Manning 4 years to play to his potential, and once he did, he won a Championship.

Sweet Dick did some number checking between Matt and Mark, and the numbers are negligible UNTIL you factor in three missed starts on the part of Stafford. If Stafford had started those games, it wouldn't even be close.

[Touchdown Bowe]

Its gonna be hard to pass up a guy who makes all the throws that Cassel doesnt

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Granted, it's early, but everything I've heard from my guy here in town is that they're going to have to come up with a damn good reason NOT to take Suh.

They think that with better OL play, Boller can be serviceable, and they are intrigued by Craig Nall.

Time will tell, I guess.

Suh would be the no-brainer for me, I think he's a generational player, but QBs are overvalued, as well you know.

My only real beef with Clausen is that he's a ****ing domer. I hate domers.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I would be happier than when I heard we signed Ty Law.


This


Pass Thrown: Behind line 81 95 741 85.3 7.80 76 3 1 0.0 105.3 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 1-10 yds. 184 267 1856 68.9 6.95 64 6 2 0.0 92.8 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 11-20 yds. 54 116 825 46.6 7.11 37 8 6 0.0 72.0 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 21-30 yds. 6 18 172 33.3 9.56 51 3 1 0.0 86.1 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 31-40 yds. 1 14 33 7.1 2.36 33 0 0 0.0 39.6 0 0 0.0 0 0
Pass Thrown: 41+ yds. 1 6 66 16.7 11.00 66 1 1 0.0 72.9 0 0 0.0 0 0

2-20 on passes over 30 yards.

Id say the statement was pretty accurate

Holy Christ.

I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was THAT bad.

62/154 for a 40% completion percentage.

20% of his passing yardage came from passes originating from behind the LOS.

70% of his passing yardage came from passes thrown 10 yards or less.

That's pretty damning evidence.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I mean that's nice and all but there are so many different ways to knock a QB there aren't even bench marks anymore.

Rivers had basically all of the stats all this all that, he got knocked because he throws the ball funny.

I wasn't really knocking anybody. I do think the number of starts thing is significant but like all things that trend could change I guess. That said you won't see me freak out if we draft a QB in the 1st round. I wouldn't have last year if we hadn't traded for Cassel. But we traded for Cassel so that horse was still born.

PhilFree

[SPATCH]

Originally Posted by Touchdown Bowe

Its gonna be hard to pass up a guy who makes all the throws that Cassel doesnt

a guy like?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by the_spatula

a guy like?

Hell, that could be just about anyone.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mecca

OK he did start 1 more year than I thought, confused him with someone else there, my mistake.

I didn't think he was a 3 year starter since he declared as a junior.

He did have limited experience. He only played the position for 4 years total, as he was a WR until Sr. year b/c the QB at Findlay was the coach's son.

[Mecca]

It was pretty obvious Cassel wasn't asked to do much to get his NE stats, NE lead the league in YAC yards by a significant margin.

The stats bear it out but it was obvious even when watching everything was designed on letting him throw simple passes.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Stafford and Sanchez have nearly identical stats this year.

No they ****ing don't.

Stafford has 10 games and Sanchez 14. When you look at the per game numbers Stafford is miles ahead of Sanchez. 226 passing yards per game compared to 170. And 1.3 passing TD's per game for Stafford (comes out to about 20 for 16 games) and 0.8 for Sanchez (about 13 over 16 games for Sanchez).

Stafford has more picks on a per game basis but Sanchez has 10 freaking fumbles so that evens out. Either way, Stafford has been far better and it's not really even close. Sanchez has just had a great defense bailing him out all year.

[Mecca]

See, told you that was coming.