Chiefs How Much Success Will Alex Smith Have as Chiefs QB? - Page 22

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 02:00 PM

Poll forthcoming.

Fish · 03-01-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Did you watch any of the 49ers games, outside of possibly the 2010 games against the Chiefs?

If so, you'd see that he DID make players like Vernon Davis "better". Michael Crabtree was far behind in his development due to missing the first half of the 2009 season. Their other wide receivers were pure dogshit, which is why in 2012, they signed Mario Manningham and Randy Moss, plus drafted a WR in the first round of the draft.

It was an issue, they 49ers KNEW it was an issue, so to pretend like it was Smith's false is just plain nonsense.

The 49ers chose to stick with Smith as their starter even after the hiring of Harbaugh and the selection of Kaepernick in 2011. Why? Because he gave them their best chance to win, and he DID win in 2011 and 2012.

But what head coach doesn't want their own guy to play? Kaepernick is a freak. He's a dual threat player that can throw a 50 yard pass in air or run for a 50 yard TD. EVERYONE that followed the 49ers felt it was only a matter of time before Kaepernick was starting.

That wasn't an indictment of Smith, it was an endorsement of Kaepernick.

This is nonsense. Smith showed plenty of flashes over the years but he had a difference OC every year before Harbaugh arrived on the scene. And it wasn't like those offensive coordinators ran the same scheme. He went from WCO, to Coryell to who knows what to Jimmy ****ing Raye and so on.

Alex Smith will be a competent QB in KC. Will he win a playoff game? Who knows? Will he win a Super Bowl? Who knows? But he's definitely capable of winning a playoff game and he's definitely a capable starter, which is more than I can say for Cassel or Quinn or Palko or Thigpen or Croyle.

He didn't make Vernon Davis better. Vernon Davis is who he is with or without Alex Smith. Sorry.

Harbaugh certainly wanted to play Kaepernick because he was a freak. But the thing you're still ignoring is that Alex Smith is not a freak. Kaepernick can do many many things that Alex Smith could not do. It had nothing to do with coach or GM allegiance, and everything to do with Kaepernick having a vastly superior skill set.

Cassel showed some flashes too....

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

He didn't make Vernon Davis better. Vernon Davis is who he is with or without Alex Smith. Sorry.

Really? Then why did Mike Singletary "moon" him? Why was Singletary constantly on his ass?

Dude.

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Originally Posted by Fish

Harbaugh certainly wanted to play Kaepernick because he was a freak. But the thing you're still ignoring is that Alex Smith is not a freak. He can do many many things that Alex Smith could not do. It had nothing to do with coach or GM allegiance, and everything to do with Kaepernick having a vastly superior skill set.

Kaepernick has a vastly superior skillset to 28 starting QB's and that's probably a stretch. Maybe it's just one: Cam Newton. And hell, he may be superior to him as well.

Too bad the Chiefs and those other 28 teams passed on him.

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Originally Posted by Fish

Cassel showed some flashes too....

Wow.

Internet Tough Guy · 03-01-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

.... now you're floundering. Good QBs succeed behind bad OLines all the time. Bad QBs make OLines look much worse than they are. You're doing everything possible to avoid faulting Smith for anything. It's his WRs. It's his OLine. It's his coordinators and coaches. It's his GM. That's just a quick summary from your last few posts.

Why would a GM want to win a Superbowl with a QB he inherited? Is that seriously a question? Did you really just type that out?

No, if the kid makes a bad play i have no problem with that.. but everyone including yourself exclude his 20-5 record these past 2 seasons as a fluke? If you can say that, why cant i say his previous years before that were flukes? I mean Shaun hill/Jt Osullivan/Alex smith all started games for the 49ers in 1 year alone.. 1 year 3 different QB's. nicee. I blame alex for that though not the coaching staff nope. nope. alexs fault.

Heres the point and i'll leave it at this.. The kids 20-5 last 2 seasons, hes on a role... Would you rather have a QB that started 20-5 in 05' 06' and then sucked 07-12' like Mark sanchez is currently doing? Or the other way around?

Alex hasnt even take a snap for us. Not even a practice snap, not even signed yet for that matter and people want his head... I think people qualified to make these decisions are alot smarter about evaluating talent than you or i are...

mcaj22 · 03-01-2013, 02:56 PM

hasnt even taken a snap for us but yet they are fine with paying him the full 8.5 million guaranteed April 1st

Fish · 03-01-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Then why did Mike Singletary "moon" him? Why was Singletary constantly on his ass?

Dude.

Kaepernick has a vastly superior skillset to 28 starting QB's and that's probably a stretch. Maybe it's just one: Cam Newton. And hell, he may be superior to him as well.

Too bad the Chiefs and those other 28 teams passed on him.

Wow.

Singletary was a damn crazy idiot. To pretty much everyone. He was fired for being a crazy idiot.

It's also telling that none of the "Experts" identified Kaepernick as worthy of a first round pick. I guess they can be wrong about that sometimes huh?

Fish · 03-01-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Makjuice

No, if the kid makes a bad play i have no problem with that.. but everyone including yourself exclude his 20-5 record these past 2 seasons as a fluke? If you can say that, why cant i say his previous years before that were flukes? I mean Shaun hill/Jt Osullivan/Alex smith all started games for the 49ers in 1 year alone.. 1 year 3 different QB's. nicee. I blame alex for that though not the coaching staff nope. nope. alexs fault.

Heres the point and i'll leave it at this.. The kids 20-5 last 2 seasons, hes on a role... Would you rather have a QB that started 20-5 in 05' 06' and then sucked 07-12' like Mark sanchez is currently doing? Or the other way around?

Alex hasnt even take a snap for us. Not even a practice snap, not even signed yet for that matter and people want his head... I think people qualified to make these decisions are alot smarter about evaluating talent than you or i are...

OK... let me explain this again. Smith went through 9 coordinators. Only 1 has had significant success with Alex Smith. 8:1 failure rate. The definition of fluke is an unlikely occurrence. If the same thing happens 8 times in a row, but the outcome changes the 9th time, which occurrence would be considered the fluke?

Dixie Land · 03-01-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

OK... let me explain this again. Smith went through 9 coordinators. Only 1 has had significant success with Alex Smith. 8:1 failure rate. The definition of fluke is an unlikely occurrence. If the same thing happens 8 times in a row, but the outcome changes the 9th time, which occurrence would be considered the fluke?

AND he is going to have Coordinator number 10 REAL FRIGGIN SOON....WTF????

There is a reason 49ers let him walk...concussion concussion concussion....lack of skills....overpaid....excuses.....He was on the second best team in the NFL which skewed his stats.....He will be the Alex Smith bust here then he will fade off and never play again after he stinks it up...

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-01-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Singletary was a damn crazy idiot. To pretty much everyone. He was fired for being a crazy idiot.

Yes, he was a complete moron.

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Originally Posted by Fish

It's also telling that none of the "Experts" identified Kaepernick as worthy of a first round pick. I guess they can be wrong about that sometimes huh?

Well, that's not exactly true. I'm sure there were several teams that liked Kaepernick but already had a starter in place. According to a report I read earlier in the week (I can't recall if it was here or elsewhere), the Chiefs scouts LOVED Kaepernick but ***** overruled him in favor of Baldwin.

But none of that matters. What matters is the Chiefs enter the 2013 with a solid veteran QB. I highly doubt that they're finished acquiring QB's for five years.

Internet Tough Guy · 03-01-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Land

AND he is going to have Coordinator number 10 REAL FRIGGIN SOON....WTF????

There is a reason 49ers let him walk...concussion concussion concussion....lack of skills....overpaid....excuses.....He was on the second best team in the NFL which skewed his stats.....He will be the Alex Smith bust here then he will fade off and never play again after he stinks it up...

GOOD if this happens we can let him walk after 13' and draft a qb in round 1 number 1 overall (since it sounds like we are really gonna stink). Next years QB class is more superior and more trustworthy than this years draft anyways.

Dixie Land · 03-01-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsABeautifulDay

I'm pretty sure I laid out the reasons for why I think Colin Kaepernick was successful.

The only real 'help' Alex Smith provided in Kaep's development was a year buffer so Kaep wouldn't be thrown in the fire. Matt Cassel or any other scrub could have done the same with how good the '11 Niners Defense, ST, and run game were.

What did Alex teach Kaep? How to not recognize a defense other than Cover-2? How to take a sack because your first read wasn't open even if the protection is good? How to complete a 3 yard pass on 3rd and long? How to consistently miss seeing wide open players down field? And How to airmail the players deep that he does see?

And on and on.

The beautiful part about this is in a year you might finally see what the rest of the competent NFL fans see.

Hey Smith does checkdowns real good....he rolls right and throws out of bounds at least as good if not better than anyone in the NFL and has for years...wow I am so excited....

**DeezNutz** · 03-01-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes, he was a complete moron.

Well, that's not exactly true. I'm sure there were several teams that liked Kaepernick but already had a starter in place. According to a report I read earlier in the week (I can't recall if it was here or elsewhere), the Chiefs scouts LOVED Kaepernick but ***** overruled him in favor of Baldwin.

But none of that matters. What matter is the Chiefs enter the 2013 with a solid veteran QB. I highly doubt that they're finished acquiring QB's for five years.

If so, they are truly stupid. For example, Houston and New Orleans should damn well be thinking about acquiring a potential franchise QB. If prospects dip in the first, these teams should absolutely be considering a QB in round one.

Molitoth · 03-01-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Makjuice

GOOD if this happens we can let him walk after 13' and draft a qb in round 1 number 1 overall (since it sounds like we are really gonna stink). Next years QB class is more superior and more trustworthy than this years draft anyways.

Reerun_KC · 03-01-2013, 03:12 PM

I hope he has Matt Cassel success... So we can cut our losses sooner rather than later and get that #1 overall again..

JFC we need a QB and desperately...

So I vote for him to fail and fails in true Chiefs fashion....

Dixie Land · 03-01-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Makjuice

GOOD if this happens we can let him walk after 13' and draft a qb in round 1 number 1 overall (since it sounds like we are really gonna stink). Next years QB class is more superior and more trustworthy than this years draft anyways.

Yeah he is a stop-gap....that is why they pulled the trigger ...he is safe...

not a long-term SB QB heck no....

Fish · 03-01-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Makjuice

GOOD if this happens we can let him walk after 13' and draft a qb in round 1 number 1 overall (since it sounds like we are really gonna stink). Next years QB class is more superior and more trustworthy than this years draft anyways.

It's not exactly easy to say "Just let him walk" after 1 season when we've invested a #34 overall pick and another conditional 2-3rd round pick...

That would make this move much worse...

View Poll Results: How far will Alex Smith take the Chiefs?
Super Bowl Winner	21	8.64%
Super Bowl Loss	3	1.23%
Championship Game Loss	28	11.52%
Divisional Round Loss (w/o a playoff win)	16	6.58%
Divisional Round Loss (w/ a WC win)	37	15.23%
WC Loss	65	26.75%
Above .500, but never a playoff appearance	55	22.63%
Never above .500	18	7.41%
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Reerun_KC Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $7231160	I hope he has Matt Cassel success... So we can cut our losses sooner rather than later and get that #1 overall again.. JFC we need a QB and desperately... So I vote for him to fail and fails in true Chiefs fashion....
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