Peter King: Chiefs will listen to trade offers for Albert

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Dave

YES! HE'S 100% SERIOUS!

Okay, I see that he was Hottieing.

The question then becomes, why doesn't our QB have a Joe Montana ceiling? Geno certainly does (remember Joe was a 3rd round draft pick).

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Okay, I see that he was Hottieing.

The question then becomes, why doesn't our QB have a Joe Montana ceiling? Geno certainly does (remember Joe was a 3rd round draft pick).

I'm just tired of Clay parading around every thread with his PFF rankings...but when they don't fit his argument he conveniently ignores them or in Alex Smith's case...dismisses them.

and then he says something ridiculous like the following:

Matt Cassel = Alex Smith because in 2010 his best game was equivalent to Alex Smith's best game.

In which case, I countered that OUTRAGEOUS argument by saying Alex Smith's 2012 game against the Arizona Cardinals @ Arizona against a great pass defense was Joe Montana-esque because he was:

18 for 19 and had 4 TD's and played a perfect game.

Which means Alex Smith = Joe Montana because he did it one time. (Actually twice he graded out perfectly in QBR against Buffalo in 2012 too)

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by cdcox

You think Smith has a Joe Montana ceiling????????????

For the smart man that you are, you have terrible reading comprehension.

Clay said that Matt Cassel = Alex Smith because in 2010 his best game (Seattle) was comparable to any Alex Smith game in 2011.

I countered with Alex Smith in 2012 and his 18 for 19, 4 TD performance against an above average passing defense that beat Tom Brady in New England is something that would rival a Joe Montana game...

so therefore in Clay's world Alex Smith has a Joe Montana ceiling, you know, since his best game in 2012 was Joe Montana-esque.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

Clay said that Matt Cassel = Alex Smith because in 2010 his best game (Seattle) was comparable to any Alex Smith game in 2011.

I never brought up the Seattle game. That was you.

But Cassel played several good games that year. Not elite performances but good games.

That's what we would get out of Alex for a whole year at his 2011 performance.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

For the smart man that you are, you have terrible reading comprehension.

Clay said that Matt Cassel = Alex Smith because in 2010 his best game (Seattle) was comparable to any Alex Smith game in 2011.

I countered with Alex Smith in 2012 and his 18 for 19, 4 TD performance against an above average passing defense that beat Tom Brady in New England is something that would rival a Joe Montana game...

so therefore in Clay's world Alex Smith has a Joe Montana ceiling, you know, since his best game in 2012 was Joe Montana-esque.

I posted, started scrolling up and hit that post. I didn't see the earlier one where you made it clearer that you were exaggerating.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

THIS IS AWESOME!

ALEX SMITH PLAYED 1 GAME JOE MONTANA GOOD!

THE 49ERS GAVE US A 29 YEAR OLD WITH A JOE MONTANA CEILING FOR A 2ND ROUNDER AND A CONDITIONAL!?

HOLY **** THAT IS SOME GOOD RAPE

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

There's nothing biased about my views on Alex Smith.

There's no reason for me to dislike him other than the fact that he is of questionable ability.

I don't like Alex Smith, but the way you only bring up stats that effect him negatively is laughable.

I've watched them both play plenty because my wife is a 49er fan. He dinks and dunks but he can move the chains. Cassel dinks and dunks to 3 and out. Cassel is horrible. There are many backups that should start in the league over him. Smith is average.

I don't like the Smith move, but there is no question in my mind he's better than Cassel. You don't have to justify to me that we would be better off rolling the dice on Geno. The exaggeration isn't necessary. If you watch both play one is clearly better than the other.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by okcchief

I don't like Alex Smith, but the way you only bring up stats that effect him negatively is laughable.

I've watched them both play plenty because my wife is a 49er fan. He sinks and dunks but he can move the chains. Cassel dinks and dunks to 3 and out. Cassel is horrible. There are many backups that should start in the league over him. Smith is average.

I don't like the Smith move, but there is no question in my mind he's better than Cassel. You don't have to justify to me that we would be better off rolling the dice on Geno. The exaggeration isn't necessary. If you watch both play one is clearly better than the other.

and pretty much THIS.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by okcchief

I don't like Alex Smith, but the way you only bring up stats that effect him negatively is laughable.

I've watched them both play plenty because my wife is a 49er fan. He sinks and dunks but he can move the chains. Cassel dinks and dunks to 3 and out. Cassel is horrible. There are many backups that should start in the league over him. Smith is average.

I don't like the Smith move, but there is no question in my mind he's better than Cassel. You don't have to justify to me that we would be better off rolling the dice on Geno. The exaggeration isn't necessary. If you watch both play one is clearly better than the other.

IMO, Smith is an average starting QB, whereas Cassel is an average Backup QB.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by okcchief

He dinks and dunks but he can move the chains. .

No he can't.

Over the course of his career he has consistently been among the league's worst quarterbacks at converting third downs.

[cdcox]

So everyone agrees that acquiring Smith (an average QB that is going to give us long odds of winning a SB, let alone building a dynasty) is a shitty move unless accompanied by the acquisition of a high-potential young development project?

[philfree]

Originally Posted by cdcox

So everyone agrees that acquiring Smith (an average QB that is going to give us long odds of winning a SB, let alone building a dynasty) is a shitty move unless accompanied by the acquisition of a high-potential young development project?

Yeah we need the QBoTF in this years or next years draft. A 1st or 2nd rounder. Alex Smith alone isn't enough unless we win a SB with him.

[okcchief]

It's kind of like Kyle Orton at the end of the 2011 season. He sucked in the redzone, but he was clearly more effective than Cassel. Even though dumb ****s like re-run said they were the same. Neither is a franchise QB and that's the problem. Let's not get carried away though.

[Hootie]

I have to wonder if Alex Smith would take so many sacks if they weren't always in the lead?

Sometimes, when you're up a score...why force a ball rather than take a sack and just punt the ball away...especially when you have an elite defense?

There are just so many factors to statistics...

again, to me...Alex Smith lies somewhere between Trent Dilfer and Trent Green. He also lies somewhere between way ahead and way way ahead of Matt Cassel.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I have to wonder if Alex Smith would take so many sacks if they weren't always in the lead?

Sometimes, when you're up a score...why force a ball rather than take a sack and just punt the ball away...especially when you have an elite defense?

There are just so many factors to statistics...

again, to me...Alex Smith lies somewhere between Trent Dilfer and Trent Green. He also lies somewhere between way ahead and way way ahead of Matt Cassel.

When everything goes well you get 2010 Matt Cassel. To me that is Matt Cassel's ceiling. That's what I thought his ceiling was when we acquired him. Alex Smith's 2011 isn't that different from Matt Cassel's 2010. Smith might be a little more consistent, might have a little higher ceiling. But if you push him like Reid's offense will, I think he could crack. I don't think he will blossom in to a top 8 QB.