***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Just the ones in the past few months or in the history of man?

How bad do you feel for those in NY nursing homes sent to the slaughter when their Governor sent infected people back in?

Your politics are showing.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, as we can't yet go back in time and distribute tens of millions of doses of doxycycline or streptomycin around 14th century Europe for example, I'm going to assume he's referring to the things that we can actually change now with a few seconds of effort and the horrible discomfort of cotton rubbing against your nose for a little while.

How about back to 2017? We could have saved lives then by wearing mask and social distancing. Do we not care about those that died then as well or just the ones that died from Covid? Is their a certain number that is acceptable before it's heartless? I'm just trying to find that spot on the moral compass that changes everything.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

Your politics are showing.

I dont see any "politics"...why do you think that?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

How about back to 2017? We could have saved lives then by wearing mask and social distancing. Do we not care about those that died then as well or just the ones that died from Covid? Is their a certain number that is acceptable before it's heartless? I'm just trying to find that spot on the moral compass that changes everything.

If only there was a widely available prophylactic in 2017 that was demonstrated to reduce symptom severity, duration, and overall mortality that people could have gotten at hundreds of thousands of locations and would have caused absolutely no economic disruption whatsoever.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

How about back to 2017? We could have saved lives then by wearing mask and social distancing. Do we not care about those that died then as well or just the ones that died from Covid? Is their a certain number that is acceptable before it's heartless? I'm just trying to find that spot on the moral compass that changes everything.

What precisely are your objections to wearing a mask?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Just the ones in the past few months or in the history of man?

How bad do you feel for those in NY nursing homes sent to the slaughter when their Governor sent infected people back in?

You know what I meant. It's obviously you care more about going to the gym than saving lives. Pretty sad if you ask me.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If only there was a widely available prophylactic in 2017 that was demonstrated to reduce symptom severity, duration, and overall mortality that people could have gotten at hundreds of thousands of locations and would have caused absolutely no economic disruption whatsoever.

My body, my choice.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

What precisely are your objections to wearing a mask?

None at all. If someone wants to wear one they are more than free to.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I dont see any "politics"...why do you think that?

Because I know who the Governor of New York is.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

None at all. If someone wants to wear one they are more than free to.

And what objection(s) do you have to wearing one?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I feel bad for all the people that died in car accidents that didnt have to because people didn't stop driving all together.

This is how ridiculous you sound.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You know what I meant. It's obviously you care more about going to the gym than saving lives. Pretty sad if you ask me.

No, no, no. You are dodging the questions. I don't blame you though. There aren't any easy answers at the exact point someone goes from indifferent to heartless asshole I guess. Are we heartless if we want to open up before we know that 1 single person will not die from Covid? How many deaths is acceptable?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

My body, my choice.

It would also be your choice to detonate a bomb vest in a crowd of schoolchildren. Should your choice be absolved of criticism?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

This is how ridiculous you sound.

Speaking of that, are car wrecks contagious?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Donger

And what objection(s) do you have to wearing one?

I don't want to. Same reason I never have even before the whole Covid thing when viruses were still spread by the same ways.