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Old 04-23-2020, 10:09 PM  
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Old 11-10-2021, 04:52 PM   #3331
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How about...

2) Prove to be effective in the pass game

is Reid carelessly ignoring Clydes pass game prowess? Maybe, but its also perfectly reasonable to assume he isn't displaying the necessary traits in practice
Not to beat a dead horse, buuuuut.

Damien Williams had 4 catches for 29 yards and 1 TD in Super Bowl 54. Two (maybe three?) of those catches were critical in the game (extending drives and scoring the go ahead touchdown). CEH doesn't need to deliver 100 yard games, but be able to deliver as a receiver in critical opportunities.

It absolutely should be a concern that in this offense CEH has matched DWill's SB54 production as a receiver in only 3 career games.
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Old 11-10-2021, 04:57 PM   #3332
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Reid has never used RB's at a high volume. Even when he had JC.

The fact is that CEH is getting MAYBE 15 touches a game and then everyone is asking why he doesn't produce like Henry, Mixon, Chubb and all these other high volume backs.

Even though his YPC is right in line with all of these top backs.

The reason for that is simple. Bad arguments, fake narratives due to frustration and overall poor analysis. GoChiefs level analysis.
I'm not asking Reid to run him more, I'm asking Clyde to do better when he does

Reid used to use backs in the passing game better than anyone, and that was one of Clydes supposed strengths coming out... yet he shows up here, and rarely gets a look

I'm just flat out not buying all this revisionist rose colored glasses business, CEH hasn't looked the same since the hip injury

Not hating on the guy, but he just hasn't
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Old 11-10-2021, 05:02 PM   #3333
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They did it with Damien Williams, too.

"His 4.5 YPC shouldn't count because it was buffered by multiple 80+ yard runs yada yada"

I have no real qualms with CEH as a runner. It's more with how he's been used in the offense and Andy's situational playcalling with him.
In 2019 Williams had 111 rushes 498 yards and 4.5 ypc. 35% (175 yards) of his total yards came on 1.8% (2/91 yards, 84 yards) of his carries. Take out just 2 carries and he had 2.96 ypc. He was absolute trash that regular season.

His 4.5 ypc "counts", but it was the most inflated ypc ever. To act like it's normal for a guy to have 2 of his 111 carries account for 175 of his 498 yards, is ignorant.
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Old 11-10-2021, 05:27 PM   #3334
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That's your top 4 RB's in the league right now, GoChiefs.

I hope you've learned something.

Or do you wanna argue that the top 4 RB's in the league suck because they have certain games that they go off, and certain games that they don't?
I've learned their worst is about the same as Clyde's average.

Putting him firmly in the third tier of runners in this league.

All I'm saying is the notion he won't end up as a 4 YPC back is not based on reality. He's getting worse, not better.
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In 2019 Williams had 111 rushes 498 yards and 4.5 ypc. 35% (175 yards) of his total yards came on 1.8% (2/91 yards, 84 yards) of his carries. Take out just 2 carries and he had 2.96 ypc. He was absolute trash that regular season.

His 4.5 ypc "counts", but it was the most inflated ypc ever. To act like it's normal for a guy to have 2 of his 111 carries account for 175 of his 498 yards, is ignorant.
Sure, but he also shouldn't be criticized for having that big play ability. We likely lose the Vikings game without him and there's a chance we drop that end of the year game against the Chargers without him, too.

On CEH. I don't mind if he never breaks an 80 yard run. I just want him to at least produce as a receiver like Damien did.
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All I'm saying is the notion he won't end up as a 4 YPC back is not based on reality. He's getting worse, not better.
Ah.

I guess you garnered that from the fact this his YPC is up this year over last. Logical conclusion for sure.
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Ah.

I guess you garnered that from the fact this his YPC is up this year over last. Logical conclusion for sure.
Small sample size.
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Ah.

I guess you garnered that from the fact this his YPC is up this year over last. Logical conclusion for sure.
I think he got it from separating CEHs first 2 games from this season in which he averaged 3.3 YPC and his last 2.5 until he got injured where he averaged 5.7 YPC.
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In 2019 Williams had 111 rushes 498 yards and 4.5 ypc. 35% (175 yards) of his total yards came on 1.8% (2/91 yards, 84 yards) of his carries. Take out just 2 carries and he had 2.96 ypc. He was absolute trash that regular season.

His 4.5 ypc "counts", but it was the most inflated ypc ever. To act like it's normal for a guy to have 2 of his 111 carries account for 175 of his 498 yards, is ignorant.
ok, but you can't throw out the big plays. If you did that, Barry Sanders isn't a hall of famer.

This cherry picking of stats is ridiculous. Those plays happened, he took them the distance, and they absolutely count.

some runs get stuffed. Some go for a couple yards. If those count, so do the long ones.
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What would you like to see?

He's averaging 4.7 YPC and has two 100+ yard games out of 5.

Considering he's gotten 15+ Carries (17) ONCE this season, im not sure what you expect with such limited opportunities. Even in his limited roll, he was producing.
I agree. Then factor in how often do the Chiefs really lineup in a above average run formation. Like putting the QB under center 2 TE's or fullback ...Like 0. you can not tell me the formation does not effect the run game. You can cannot expect Derrick Henry numbers.
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I agree. Then factor in how often do the Chiefs really lineup in a above average run formation. Like putting the QB under center 2 TE's or fullback ...Like 0. you can not tell me the formation does not effect the run game. You can cannot expect Derrick Henry numbers.
Chiefs worst runs come from under-center formations.
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What’s the pass/run split under center?


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Clyde - 21 carries, 3.3 YPC
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Mahomes - 52 called passes (12 QB scrambles)

Total - 52 called passes, 54 called runs
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Darrel - 28 carries, 3.6 YPC
Clyde - 21 carries, 3.3 YPC
Gore - 5 carries, 3.2 YPC

Mahomes - 52 called passes (12 QB scrambles)

Total - 52 called passes, 54 called runs
That's strange. We have the best interior in the league and we cannot run under C.
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That's strange. We have the best interior in the league and we cannot run under C.
It's because the play is telegraphed. We don't run outside because our backs are so fuggin slow.
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