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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***



Well, folks, it has happened. The Royals stand triumphant, atop the heap of MLB.

In this thread, we'll track the action as Dayton Moore continues The Process and attempts to defend the long-awaited title.

Before we get to the meet of it, let's take a minute to reflect ... and say "I'm Sorry" to Dayton Moore.

We gave you hell. Many of us called for your head. But you were right. You got it done. Congratulations. Mea culpa.

Now, let's talk about the offseason:

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The Royals will have a few priorities: Corner OF (x2) and 1 SP, IMO. The rest of the core is solid and will need little tweaking. Looking at the increase in ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, parking, etc., I think it's fair to assume the Royals GROSSED $100 million more this season, or close to it. That gives Glass and Dayton Moore much more flexibility on payroll for 2016 (hopefully).

First order of business will be gauging the Alex Gordon market. If he can be resigned for 4-5 years at around $75-80 million total, it would be hard for KC to pass on that. He's still an above-average corner OF bat, and the Royals will need to bring in at least one proven guy to play in a corner if Gordon walks... and the whole market looks a lot like Alex - guys in their early 30s looking for huge, final contracts.

Second order of business: Make a decision on Zobrist. It sounds like KC will pursue him aggressively. At 34, he's at risk of declining in a big way after a few years. If they could find someone to take on Omar Infante for eating 1/2 of his deal, that would be a great start to things.

If they decide not to spend on Zobrist, KC will need to cobble together some sort of plan for 2B/RF that involves some cheaper options like Orlando, Colon, Dyson, etc.

I could see them deciding his ability to provide great insurance at either 2B or in RF is worth the risk.

Third order of business: Add depth to the rotation with a FA SP. Duffy, Ventura, Volquez and Medlen are locks for 4 spots, it seems. Kyle Zimmer may finally be ready to make a MLB impact, but his innings will be limited. That means KC needs insurance. Will it kill two birds with one stone (and insure against Duffy/Ventura regression) by signing a more top-tier guy? Or does Moore look to Chris Young/someone like him for this depth?

Personally, I think Mike Leake would be a great fit with KC's defense and park, and I know Moore has long coveted him. He's still young - just 28 - and has succeeded in bandbox Cincinnati for years.

Ian Kennedy, Mat Latos, Marco Estrada, and Justin Masterson are some other names that may pique interest (a little further down the list).

Other than that, I don't think KC makes any major moves. Greg Holland will be interesting to observe, as they have one more year of control of him, and he will obviously miss all of that season. I wouldn't be surprised to see a pre-arbitration deal that pays him something like $15 million over the next two seasons, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him turned loose, period.

The bullpen will rest upon Wade Davis/Herrera/Hochevar, filling in pieces around them. Bringing Madson back wouldn't be a surprise, but he could get a big deal from another team that is willing to pay him as their top setup guy or even their closer.

I think the biggest prospects to watch in Spring Training will be:

1) Kyle Zimmer. The hype has built, died down, built again, etc. If he's healthy, he's filthy and a potential ToR arm. But what does he look like in ST, and how many innings can you reasonably expect from him if he does earn a rotation spot? It seems like 120-130 innings would be his limit unless they really stretch (or unless he has a lot of hidden innings from simulated games/extended spring training, which might push him to 150-160).

Having another cheap, home-grown pitcher would be a significant boon for this team as it tries to extend the competitive window (and potentially give KC a strong 1-2 to build its rotation around in Zimmer and Ventura)

2) Bubba Starling. I'm trying to remain skeptical, but I like what I hear about Bubba from this season, and the performance has picked up. If KC does not sign someone to fill the RF slot, I think that's a strong indication KC's front office believes Starling will be ready to contribute in 2016.

Dayton Moore has long said that when Starling's light flips on, it will happen quickly and burn brightly. Time will tell.

After his STRONG Arizona Fall League Performance, he shot up my prospect chart.

3) Miguel Almonte. His late-season stint out of the KC bullpen went poorly, but Almonte has a plus-plus changeup, a good fastball, and a decent curve ball. He may be the dark horse in the rotation competition, and unlike Zimmer, he's set up to pitch a full 180 inning season.

4) RA Mondesi. The only player to debut in the MLB World Series has incredible tools. He still needs to refine his game, but again... he may be KC's best cheap, plus alternative at a key position (2B). His defense would be a boon from Day 1, but he needs seasoning with the bat before he's asked to hold down 2B full time.

And, as always, here are the Prospects:

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Old 03-01-2016, 08:43 PM   #3331
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Yeah, there's a growing number of people on the Royals subreddit who think trading Hos after 16 is the way to go.

**** that noise. I don't care what the next year brings, you simply don't gut a WS caliber team.
Absolutely not. No they likely won't be as good after 17, but they'll still have Gordon and Perez. Ventura will be entering his prime and he's locked up long term. And hopefully they can sign Moose or Hos. Then add Mondesi and Cuthbert to the mix, maybe Starling can come around, plus Zimmer, Almonte, maybe Ashe Russell. Plus any contracts they hand out will be mostly under a new TV contract. It hopefully won't be that bleak.
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:01 PM   #3332
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Yeah, there's a growing number of people on the Royals subreddit who think trading Hos after 16 is the way to go.

**** that noise. I don't care what the next year brings, you simply don't gut a WS caliber team.
Hosmer's agent is Boras

It might come down to 'trade him or lose him for nothing'


unless Hos has a bad year, Boras will be shooting for a bigger market
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:02 PM   #3333
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I love me some LoCain but it's absolutely right to be very cautious with an aging outfielder who's value on both sides relates to his legs.
Cain is still probably our best player overall
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:06 PM   #3334
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:07 PM   #3335
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Hosmer's agent is Boras

It might come down to 'trade him or lose him for nothing'


unless Hos has a bad year, Boras will be shooting for a bigger market
At worst they would get a pick for the qualifying offer. They wont end up with nothing.
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Old 03-01-2016, 09:12 PM   #3336
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Hosmer's agent is Boras

It might come down to 'trade him or lose him for nothing'


unless Hos has a bad year, Boras will be shooting for a bigger market
Uh, a potential WS in 2017 isn't "nothing".

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Old 03-01-2016, 09:19 PM   #3337
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At worst they would get a pick for the qualifying offer. They wont end up with nothing.
I imagine they will wait until it's a trade deadline situation for it anyway.

If we are out of it, try to make a killing from some team desperate for a bat.
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I'm definitely in.

So what'd you do? Take the $85 single team package for the Royals?
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So what'd you do? Take the $85 single team package for the Royals?
Cheapest route. The dude only gives his kids $5/tooth FFS.
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So what'd you do? Take the $85 single team package for the Royals?
I haven't signed up yet but I'm going to do the full deal, even though I probably won't use it.

I just like the option of watching other teams, especially during the day.

It might be fun to watch the Cubbies day games this season.
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Cheapest route. The dude only gives his kids $5/tooth FFS.
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Cain is still probably our best player overall
Right now? Yes. In 2018? He might be then, too. The question is if you give him a lucrative long-term deal for age 32-on, how does he hold up? If he stops putting up elite defensive and baserunning contributions and stops getting 20 leg hits a year, are you still getting enough from him for what you're going to pay him?

If he hits at the same level in 2016 and 2017 as he did in 2015, then year, you probably feel pretty good about that.

Hell, if he hits at the same level in 2016, you can start talking to him then, probably, and feel pretty good about him holding up.

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Hosmer's agent is Boras

It might come down to 'trade him or lose him for nothing'


unless Hos has a bad year, Boras will be shooting for a bigger market
It won't come down to losing him for nothing. If he leaves as a FA, there will be some sort of compensation for KC. It makes no sense to move that key of a member of the team before the 2017 season, a season in which KC will be expecting to repeat regardless of what happens this season.

I also no longer am 100 percent certain Hosmer will leave. If his play levels out where it did last season, they will have a chance to keep him. Maybe not a great one, but better than zero.

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Yeah, there's a growing number of people on the Royals subreddit who think trading Hos after 16 is the way to go.

**** that noise. I don't care what the next year brings, you simply don't gut a WS caliber team.
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Absolutely not. No they likely won't be as good after 17, but they'll still have Gordon and Perez. Ventura will be entering his prime and he's locked up long term. And hopefully they can sign Moose or Hos. Then add Mondesi and Cuthbert to the mix, maybe Starling can come around, plus Zimmer, Almonte, maybe Ashe Russell. Plus any contracts they hand out will be mostly under a new TV contract. It hopefully won't be that bleak.
It's that way on the Scout board, too. I just don't get it. The logic of trading away a piece that can help you have a championship type season NOW to get guys who may help and who may not help you get back to that point down the road is just silly.
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I haven't signed up yet but I'm going to do the full deal, even though I probably won't use it.

I just like the option of watching other teams, especially during the day.

It might be fun to watch the Cubbies day games this season.
If you can hold out to around Fathers Day it gets a pretty fair discount close to 50% off.
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If you can hold out to around Fathers Day it gets a pretty fair discount close to 50% off.
Thanks man but I can't miss a full month of baseball to save a few bucks.
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