***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Stay inside you'll be safe

Unlike you, I actually think of others.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Unlike you, I actually think of others.

Unlike you I'm American. And I believe the individual is more important than the collective.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

It inherently is a political issue in the sense that the constitution is being violated in places right now.

Every country has a constitution , your country seems to be the only one politicizing it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Unlike you I'm American. And I believe the individual is more important than the collective.

I'm an American.

Yes, you've made it clear that you don't care about your fellow Americans. There's really no need to keep repeating it.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Every country has a constitution , your country seems to be the only one politicizing it.

First off,

No they don't

Secondly,

Ours actually means something, and our government can't just change it willy nilly

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

CDC has changed it recommendations more times than my wife changes outfits before we go out.

Sorry if I just don't give a **** anymore.

Just let it run its course, and be done with it.

I remember when our surgeon general recommended not wearing masks and tried to say they didn't help at the start of this pandemic. The few well known media outlets even followed suit with some articles despite plenty of studies showing there was some efficacy to mask wearing. I was irate. Because they were intentionally lying to us. They were lying to us because they didn't want people to hoard all the masks, I get that. But when your government and media lies to you to protect you, it really pisses me off.

Just give me the data, let me make the decision.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm an American.

Yes, you've made it clear that you don't care about your fellow Americans. There's really no need to keep repeating it.

Lmao

If your American they clearly need to step up how hard the test is. Because you fundamental understanding that the INDIVIDUAL is paramount in America is lacking.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

also proven potentially lethal side effects.

So does aspirin

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[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I remember when the CDC or our surgeon general recommended not wearing masks and tried to say they didn't help at the start of this pandemic. The few well known media outlets even followed suit with some articles despite plenty of studies showing there was some efficacy to mask wearing. I was irate. Because they were intentionally lying to us. They were lying to us because they didn't want people to hoard all the masks, I get that. But when your government and media lies to you to protect you, it really pisses me off.

I knew they were full of shit when they said it, of course it will help somewhat. But again the CoronaVirus by CDC's Best Estimate is .4 Mortality rate.

Even lower for those under 40.

We are killing an entire generation of jobs to save who again? People retired from the work force? I don't ****ing care about those people, and no one who isn't virtue signalling does either.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

CDC has changed it recommendations more times

Speaking of which...

https://mises.org/power-market/cdc-s...tify-lockdowns

[Donger]

Can this trash please be taken out? It's starting to stink in here.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

I'm an American.

Yes, you've made it clear that you don't care about your fellow Americans. There's really no need to keep repeating it.

What about the non-Americans here that don't seem to care about Americans? What do you propose we do about them?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

First off,

No they don't

Secondly,

Ours actually means something, and our government can't just change it willy nilly

OK Most do , but some people don't live their lives in way that they would need to reference a piece of paper to justify their actions.

Are the amendments not amendable?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

What about the non-Americans here that don't seem to care about Americans? What do you propose we do about them?

Who are they?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Can this trash please be taken out? It's starting to stink in here.

Why nothing has been posted that was political, do you want a echo chamber of group think?

Sorry but we are following the rules, don't like it don't respond.