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You are comparing him to a guy who averaged 33 points per game in the playoffs, and a guy who hit 50% of his game winning shots. You are comparing him to a guy who three-peated TWICE. You are comparing him to the greatest player to play any professional sport, ever. So no, pulling a few games here and there isn't good enough when you're making this comparison. LeBron has played in the past 2 seasons, unbelievably lackluster playoff competition and up until the Pacers series, it's largely been dominating performances followed by strong enough late game performances with some unbelievable flashes sprinkled in. You can feel free to look at late game logs of close games and see how many turnovers, missed shots, passes, and missed free throws he committed. Again, these are not saying he's a slouch, but let me repeat for the billionth time. You are comparing him to Michael Jordan. |
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Lebron's playoff averages are about 28, 9, and 7. Jordan's were about 33, 6, and 6. comparable. As far as lackluster competition, Lebron has gone up against the top defensive team in the league almost every year in the playoffs. Game logs? I'm watching the games. You saw the 48 special in detroit, I'm assuming? Even Jordan never had a game like that. It's too early in his career to say, but the possibility that Lebron might be better than Jordan when all is said and done is very, very real.
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05-31-2013, 04:59 PM | #3363 | |
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And no, I doubt LeBron passes MJ. And based on what we've seen, it is not very, very real unless he plays every playoff series the way he has against the Pacers. And no, his road to the playoffs the past 2 years is outrageously bad, especially when you consider how cold and unprepared OKC was. LeBron has nothing to put him up against Jordan yet. You are talking about a guy who was regularly putting up 30's, 40's, and often times 50's, and won 6 championships (against much tougher competition). He has a VERY long way to go to beat Jordan. |
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05-31-2013, 05:13 PM | #3364 | |
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OKC had durant/westbrook/harden - that's 3 superstar talents + the defensive player of the year and they got spanked. By what metric are you suggesting "tougher" competition? Last I checked, the thibodeau style defenses common in the nba now that specialize in making it hard for individual scorers to go off weren't exactly common in Jordan's era.
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How exactly do you define all time great performances?
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Off-topic, but I hope my Magic draft McLemore. I'm thinking Cleveland will draft Noels, and supposedly Orlando wants to pick between McLemore and Trey Burke. I'm thinking they will go with Mac, since A) Jacque Vaughn is the head coach and B) they locked up Jameer Nelson to a contract.
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05-31-2013, 07:14 PM | #3369 | |
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Did you watch the finals? If not for one boneheaded play at the end, Westbrook's 43 almost won them game 4. This is the same OKC that beat a very very similar spurs team that you just mentioned. Regardless. I'm failing to see how you're discounting Lebron's competition. Like I said, he's gone up against the best defense in the league nearly every year in the playoffs. That detroit team he dropped 48 on wasn't just a good defense, it was one of the most elite defenses in the history of the nba. As for the last two years, best defenses in the nba belonged to... chicago, indiana, boston, and philly, also known as Lebron's playoff opponents. Yes, they had handchecking in Jordan's era, but they also had nothing like the strong side shading defenses which means the whole team can focus on keeping a guy out of the paint. And yes, handchecking meant some of the stronger guys could basically guide the offensive player where they wanted them to go, but still, with how easy it was to iso, and with the rudimentary double teaming techniques, basically, if you could get by your man, the defense was toast. Those scarce "elite" defenders were nowhere near as effective as the elite team defenses currently in the NBA. Also, of those three you mentioned, only dumars was an elite defender, russell was just an athletic guy comparable to a richard jefferson, and wilkins was just an unfortunate nickname. Remember who was guarding Jordan during "the shot?" Freak athlete, defensive stalwart, Craig ****ing Ehlo. With a few exceptions, the league was nowhere near as athletic then as it is now. And I'm not saying this to denigrate what Jordan did, I'm just saying Lebron's clearly in the conversation in a way that nobody else in our generation has been before.
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Comparing Lebron to MJ or any other great is so pointless right now. In the end, they'll all be compared by championships. Lebron's book is still open on that. I seriously doubt he'll end up with 6 or more, but who knows.
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I think championships comparison holds more weight in the NBA than it does in the NFL but it's still ridiculous.
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The Cavs should pick Nerlens and sit him for his rookie year. With the strength of the 2014 draft, that would allow him to get completely healthy and give them a better shot at a high pick when there are going to be a ton of studs available.
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Their best option is to either trade for a Small Forward or trade down to #3 to get Otto Porter. If they don't find a Small Forward with a 1.1 or 1.3, they won't find one anywhere. Meanwhile at Center, you have a shitload of options at 1.19 (especially if they trade up) and potentially free agent or trade options. I hate the idea that they're exploring a Demarcus Cousins trade with the 1.1, but a Kevin Love (move Tristan Thompson permanently to Center) or an Al Jefferson trade could make sense, even if both are pipe dreams. |
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