***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

I mean, look... I can shout all day that the sky is green but I'd be wrong. argue with emotion all day long but the facts... the basic freaking facts... like how a lysosome does its job in the cell (any of you people who think this is a hoax remember high school science and learning about cells?!?) are correct and true regardless of what you want to believe.

by the way, go ahead and challenge me on some basic science, that'd be fun. I only have a peer reviewed article on a lysosomal storage disease caused by a genetic mutation. weird flex, I know, but... for crying out loud, it feels like nobody paid attention to high school science.

If I had a hotter female teacher I think it might have helped.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Because we live in an age where people want to believe what makes them feel good and anything that challenges that isn't for studying it's for denying.

The other part is that you have to be right 100% of the time and they have to be right once. It's kind of like terrorism in that sense.

The CDC and the WHO issue misguided statements about wearing masks to prevent hoarding (which should not have been done), and then everything from every scientific expert is automatically bunk.

Meanwhile, they can post Plandemic videos, conspiracies about 5G towers, promote UV light treatment inside the body when it can't even reach viral reservoirs, and attribute test tube studies on non-human cells as definitive prove of clinical efficacy in vivo. Every single claim is flatly wrong and easily debunked, but it doesn't matter, because the scientists are the only ones held to standards.

"Rules for thee, not for me."

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I dunno I was at Nebraska furniture mart the other day and I saw quite a few fat white dudes with goatees not wearing masks...

Wear one yourself or leave if you feel your health is being threatened.



I know I can't control what others do, so I'll take the necessary measures to protect myself.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Wear one yourself or leave if you feel your health is being threatened.



I know I can't control what others do, so I'll take the necessary measures to protect myself.

This

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

science has one agenda. facts. if you don't like facts, that's ok. but please don't just throw science out the window because you don't like the conclusions it leads us to.

Excellent post.

It's pretty easy to identify those in this thread who are familiar with scientific method, and those that are not, and it's not worth anyone's time to argue with the latter.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Donger

What specific terms? If your argument is that since you've seen some non-Americans not wearing masks no American should, we'll just agree to disagree.

"You don't care about your fellow Americans" or "do it for your country" or other similar garbage.

[BigBeauford]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Debunked by who?

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...ade-them-stop/

Florida's reporting has been a shitshow at best, and purposefully deceiving at worst.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...ng-some-cases/

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...00-coronavirus

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-w...m-her-position

Correct. The Florida DoH has been inconsistent on whether they are providing postmortem testing on people who were already dead. Without a confirmed postmortem diagnosis of Covid19, they likely won't code it that way.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.flo...amp/5147971002

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The other part is that you have to be right 100% of the time and they have to be right once. It's kind of like terrorism in that sense.

The CDC and the WHO issue misguided statements about wearing masks to prevent hoarding (which should not have been done), and then everything from every scientific expert is automatically bunk.

Meanwhile, they can post Plandemic videos, conspiracies about 5G towers, promote UV light treatment inside the body when it can't even reach viral reservoirs, and attribute test tube studies on non-human cells as definitive prove of clinical efficacy in vivo. Every single claim is flatly wrong and easily debunked, but it doesn't matter, because the scientists are the only ones held to standards.

"Rules for thee, not for me."

The WHO has bigger issues than masks. Just saying.... They are shills for China

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Wear one yourself or leave if you feel your health is being threatened.

I know I can't control what others do, so I'll take the necessary measures to protect myself.

I've been wearing a mask outside the home for nearly 3 months and I have to say, I don't even notice when it's on, whether I'm shopping, walking, jogging or cycling.

Much ado about nothing.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If I had a hotter female teacher I think it might have helped.

lol I kinda had one as a freshman (physical science) but sophomore on... not so much.

there was a really cute chinese young lady that was a physics grad assistant for my physics 1 class in undergrad... xian xian? (pronounced chen chen)... I was in the last legs of a relationship and I'm not afraid to admit that I'd have torn the bottom out of that one.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

"You don't care about your fellow Americans" or "do it for your country" or other similar garbage.

BR has made it very clear that he doesn't care.

I'd like to think that most Americans would take simple measures to protect their fellow citizens, yes. But this has completely destroyed that. We have some incredibly selfish people in this country.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've been wearing a mask outside the home for nearly 3 months and I have to say, I don't even notice when it's on, whether I'm shopping, walking, jogging or cycling.

Much ado about nothing.

I have literally slept with an N95 on while getting an infusion. If you get enough Benadryl, you can do almost anything (don't take it if you're over 65 though, it can make you delirious).

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

BR has made it very clear that he doesn't care.

I'd like to think that most Americans would take simple measures to protect their fellow citizens, yes. But this has completely destroyed that. We have some incredibly selfish people in this country.

You're right I do not care, and your virtue signalling that you care doesn't change the fact you don't.

I never said I don't do the above, I've worn masks since this whole thing started. But considering I'm doing it to GO ALONG with what you hysterical people are doing as opposed to some NOBLE ACT means I dont really ****ing care.

.4 Best Estimate right now, will probably drop even lower. But considering you dont seem to care about the people committing suicide at a break neck pace, means your trash.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

I know, but... for crying out loud, it feels like nobody paid attention to high school science.

I took Chemistry I & II in high school along with Physics and both were year long courses.

I didn't pursue a university degree in science but I did ace Physics and Chemistry my Freshman year in college.

I've always loved science but my path took me elsewhere.

[TLO]

Death toll looks to be a bit higher on Worldomoters today.