***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL...

It's actually pretty standard stuff. I've been here since 2003 so by and large the board tends to skew middle age to older. I would wager if you took an age poll 70% at minimum that post here are at least 35 and honestly that number might stay that high as you increased. It's also a forum based around a midwestern sports team, the midwest has a general set of beliefs for the most part, especially outside of cities.

We basically have a lot of older posters, lots of rural area posters, and frankly this is still the bible belt so we have that too. And we know how all of that sways..We're also in a time where things are being taken to levels of a bunch of genders, the way you talk, etc etc.

So I think we have a good number of posters who are basically pushing back really hard because to them where we are in the world is an attack on who they are as people. So this generally means agreeing with some really minority opinions or taking things to inane levels to try to prove a point.

I personally have said a hundred times I think identity politics which is basically what this is, is the worst shit ever and causes this type of stuff. We can no longer find common ground to have the greater good for all, now everything is a ****ing pissing contest until someone feels like they got ****ed.

I was just kidding, but I appreciate your response. Unfortunately, I'm probably making most of your point for you. I'm 53, live in Kansas and I'm a conservative (but left the Republican party years ago). I'm a bit of a weirdo because I'd much rather hear everyone's thoughts than to shout down opinions that I don't agree with. I love listening to the science and what's going on to combat CV-19. I want to know just as much as anyone else how to best protect myself and my Family. In the same breath, I can also appreciate why some people have their doubts. I have to admit though, it amazes me that masks have become so politically identifying, and such a divisive issue in this Country. Strange times we are living in for sure........

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I was just kidding, but I appreciate your response. Unfortunately, I'm probably making most of your point for you. I'm 53, live in Kansas and I'm a conservative (but left the Republican party years ago). I'm a bit of a weirdo because I'd much rather hear everyone's thoughts than to shout down opinions that I don't agree with. I love listening to the science and what's going on to combat CV-19. I want to know just as much as anyone else how to best protect myself and my Family. In the same breath, I can also appreciate why some people have their doubts. I have to admit though, it amazes me that masks have become so politically identifying, and such a divisive issue in this Country. Strange times we are living in for sure........

See I don't understand that either, wearing a mask isn't suppose to be a political symbol.

Also even though you identify as a conservative and I don't and I'm younger than you I'm sure we have several issues we'd agree upon because I will you know actually listen to some points of view.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Mecca

See I don't understand that either, wearing a mask isn't suppose to be a political symbol.

Also even though you identify as a conservative and I don't and I'm younger than you I'm sure we have several issues we'd agree upon because I will you know actually listen to some points of view.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I was just kidding, but I appreciate your response. Unfortunately, I'm probably making most of your point for you. I'm 53, live in Kansas and I'm a conservative (but left the Republican party years ago). I'm a bit of a weirdo because I'd much rather hear everyone's thoughts than to shout down opinions that I don't agree with. I love listening to the science and what's going on to combat CV-19. I want to know just as much as anyone else how to best protect myself and my Family. In the same breath, I can also appreciate why some people have their doubts. I have to admit though, it amazes me that masks have become so politically identifying, and such a divisive issue in this Country. Strange times we are living in for sure........

Well said , if more people shared this attitude the world would be in a better place with this shit that’s going on.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by R Clark

Well said , if more people shared this attitude the world would be in a better place with this shit that’s going on.

I have no idea if wearing a mask helps or not, that's me being honest, the odds are it probably at worst helps a little bit. But at the same token I don't want the rona nor do I want to give it to anyone else so I'll wear one when I'm around people because I have no idea what they do. So I'll error on the side of caution with it.

I mean we wear seatbelts when we drive even though there are plenty of people that survived wrecks cause they didn't have one on.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by ChiTown

I was just kidding, but I appreciate your response. Unfortunately, I'm probably making most of your point for you. I'm 53, live in Kansas and I'm a conservative (but left the Republican party years ago). I'm a bit of a weirdo because I'd much rather hear everyone's thoughts than to shout down opinions that I don't agree with. I love listening to the science and what's going on to combat CV-19. I want to know just as much as anyone else how to best protect myself and my Family. In the same breath, I can also appreciate why some people have their doubts. I have to admit though, it amazes me that masks have become so politically identifying, and such a divisive issue in this Country. Strange times we are living in for sure........

I don't get the political leanings with masks? I've seen people on both sides be both for them and against them. I do believe that that there is a dependency on public shaming of those who aren't always wearing a mask to a degree. I mean I have seen it on here and elsewhere from both loud mouth and educated (and both) alike. People who wear masks want to shame those who do not in various ways that largely amounts to bullshit. However there are those who won't wear a mask because "'Merica" which I think is stupid. I had a co-worker today tell me he refuses to wear a mask anywhere, will walk the wrong way down the grocery store isle, etc. and it's those people that are just mouth breathers.

I myself don't believe masks protect you like many think and don't wear them unless I am going some place that requires you to do so. I respect the rules of a business if that means wear a mask, socially distance, go one way down a store isle, etc. I have no problems with people wearing masks or not wearing masks.

What I do have a problem with is mobs shaming someone who isn't wearing a mask in s store that does not require you to wear one and the reverse, crying because you have to wear a mask in a store and you don't think you should have too.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Mecca

To be perfectly honest I have views that sway to both sides yet I get called a liberal constantly. I personally think both sides take things to completely ridiculous levels and instead of being a nation full of sensitive twats and over reactionary dumbasses maybe we can you know find a middle place.

here's the way I put it...

we're in a row-boat. one with 7.8 billion people. 3.9 billion on one side, 3.9 billion on the other.

I KNOW that it's truly not 50% right 50% left in the world, but let's go with it for the sake of the conversation...

if you have half rowing one way, half the other (hell, or even half on each side counteracting each other and going forward/back) you at best go nowhere at worst go in circles.

that's where we are. we're more similar than we are different (**** minorities mother****er, we're all 99.999% similar genetically no matter where the **** you come from). we fight together. instead, nope, let's make it all partisan bullshit.

let's row together, bruh. we get further when we work together to make this shit work. it doesn't HAVE to be impossible.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Mecca

...selling a bill of goods whether it is on tv or through the schools.

I've been in academia like 67% of my life and can say with absolute certainty....

the only problem with education is that we keep cutting funding. look at the freaking stats, a better educated populace has a TON of benefits.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

here's the way I put it...

we're in a row-boat. one with 7.8 billion people. 3.9 billion on one side, 3.9 billion on the other.

I KNOW that it's truly not 50% right 50% left in the world, but let's go with it for the sake of the conversation...

if you have half rowing one way, half the other (hell, or even half on each side counteracting each other and going forward/back) you at best go nowhere at worst go in circles.

that's where we are. we're more similar than we are different (**** minorities mother****er, we're all 99.999% similar no matter where the **** you come from). we fight together. instead, nope, let's make it all partisan bullshit.

let's row together, bruh. we get further when we work together to make this shit work. it doesn't HAVE to be impossible.

That all goes back to how the people who run our country have masterfully taken the eyes off the prize. They don't want a good portion of the country to realize they are getting ****ed by politicians and rich people in general. They masterfully move that goal post, so now the general population is way to busy fighting with each other and focusing on their differences than noticing how badly they're getting ****ed everyday.

Keep the masses fighting with each other and stroke divide and they'll be way to busy with that to ever notice how hard we **** them as we need them to keep us rich.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

I've been in academia like 67% of my life and can say with absolute certainty....

the only problem with education is that we keep cutting funding. look at the freaking stats, a better educated populace has a TON of benefits.

well, and... administration/the other impossible tasks put in front of us. I do 5 jobs during the school year not counting coaching.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

I've been in academia like 67% of my life and can say with absolute certainty....

the only problem with education is that we keep cutting funding. look at the freaking stats, a better educated populace has a TON of benefits.

Dumb citizens are more likely to keep showing up at their menial jobs.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That all goes back to how the people who run our country have masterfully taken the eyes off the prize. They don't want a good portion of the country to realize they are getting ****ed by politicians and rich people in general. They masterfully move that goal post, so now the general population is way to busy fighting with each other and focusing on their differences than noticing how badly they're getting ****ed everyday.

Keep the masses fighting with each other and stroke divide and they'll be way to busy with that to ever notice how hard we **** them as we need them to keep us rich.

it's rich to me that certain 'pick a number' amendment people are all up in arms that WE NEED TO KEEP THEM IN CHECK AND SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION yet we're using our uh 'right to'...

not for the bloody revolution that thomas jefferson said every generation needed... nope. to fight wearing masks.

muh rights. yeah.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Dumb citizens are more likely to keep showing up at their menial jobs.

absolutely.

it's not black vs white.


it's rich vs poor. and it always has been.


before the french revolution it was that. civil war too.


do you think any of my freaking poor ass ancestors owned slaves? nope. but the rich ****ers that ran the states DID own slaves thus my ancestors died and suffered because they weren't the right side of the rich/poor gap

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

absolutely.

it's not black vs white.


it's rich vs poor. and it always has been.

Basically, there are several things that play into this. American's by and large have been bought off with gizmos. Lots of people are fat and happy, they're getting ****ed in general but they have a 65 inch 4k and a cell phone that'll rub their balls for them so why go against the grain?

Another thing that was masterfully done was how poor white people believe they are poor because of minorities. Hey newsflash you and that minority are the same ****ing thing, he isn't ****ing you....you are just to dumb to get it.

It's really masterful how easily the eyes have been moved and people have been manipulated into believing things that keep us divided and keep the select few in power.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Basically, there are several things that play into this. American's by and large have been bought off with gizmos. Lots of people are fat and happy, they're getting ****ed in general but they have a 65 inch 4k and a cell phone that'll rub their balls for them so why go against the grain?

Another thing that was masterfully done was how poor white people believe they are poor because of minorities. Hey newsflash you and that minority are the same ****ing thing, he isn't ****ing you....you are just to dumb to get it.

It's really masterful how easily the eyes have been moved and people have been manipulated into believing things that keep us divided and keep the select few in power.

nailed it. you missed my edit, but it kinda explains the south.

there is still latent racism regardless of whether a person wants to acknowledge it, and it's funny.... the freaking slaves NOR THEIR DESCENDENDS obviously have never been on top (michael jordan, oprah, lebron and a handful over 160 years notwithstanding) but... it's the black man, right bubba?

yeah. it's the guy who's way higher % likelihood to have been born in a broken home, way higher chance of going to jail, way higher chance to be killed by violent means...

you absolutely nailed it. we MADE it black/white by policies (why is marijuana illegal? richard nixon and the fact that blacks/hippies liked it, so he wanted to demonize them).

it was always rich/poor and it's hilarious and sad to me that those most affected by it (my parents are life-long hard right leaning and... live in squalor/poverty).

vote against your interests, please people. keep voting to keep the money flowing to the top. great idea.