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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula

I'm more considered about your ****ing Dan Snyder bullshit... obviously you're avoiding that shit at all costs because its an un-****ing believable argument for firing Haley

You're missing the point, Dipshit.

Lamar Hunt kept two bozos in charge of his franchise for nearly 30 years.

While those two bozos produced some results their first decade, they were totally EPIC FAIL for the next two decades.

The Chiefs went 15 YEARS without a playoff appearance and another 16 years without a playoff win.

Like it or not, Daniel Snyder wouldn't have just sat by and watched an empty stadium for nearly two decades and not done anything about it.

**DeezNutz** · 12-21-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually if I remember right, didnt Marty get some of the personnel control in the late 90's that produced the phrase "Bones, Thugs and Marty"?

1998.

And here we are now. It's a process.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Fair enough Dane... But Snyder? Come on.. Dude is KooKo for Cocoa Puffs....

Sure, because each and every year, he tries to win.

That's crazy talk 'round these parts!

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're missing the point, Dipshit.

Lamar Hunt kept two bozos in charge of his franchise for nearly 30 years.

While those two bozos produced some results their first decade, they were totally EPIC FAIL for the next two decades.

The Chiefs went 15 YEARS without a playoff appearance and another 16 years without a playoff win.

Like it or not, Daniel Snyder wouldn't have just sat by and watched an empty stadium for nearly two decades and not done anything about it.

Probably not.. Dude changes his personnel like I change underwear...

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Here's the deal, Dude:

The best and most consistent teams in the NFL are that way because of ownership.

Plain and simple.

Whether you're talking about the Mara's and the Giants, the Rooney's and the Steelers, Model & Cleveland/Baltimore, the Patriots and Bob Kraft, Jeff Lurie & the Eagles, DeBartolo and the 49ers, JKC and the 'Skins and so on.

Owners that demand championships get championships.

The Hunt family has never demanded a damn thing.

Absolutely 100% Correct.

They probably love their teams, but they stay out of the way when it comes down to brass taxes. They hire the right people and get out of their way.

Snyder and Jones (lately) have hurt their teams by becoming too involved and letting their clouded judgement hold them back.

KCTitus · 12-21-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Washington will turn it around much more quickly than the Chiefs.

Bank it.

mmmkay...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Probably not.. Dude changes his personnel like I change underwear...

That's not necessarily true.

He had stuck with Vinny Cerato for a decade.

Now that he's gone, we'll see. But with a dedicated fan base and tons of dough, I don't expect them to make many mistakes with Allen at the helm.

Especially if they get Shanahan.

**notorious** · 12-21-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually if I remember right, didnt Marty get some of the personnel control in the late 90's that produced the phrase "Bones, Thugs and Marty"?

Come on, Bam Morris and T. Vanover were quality citizens.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 12-21-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Three kings brought gifts to the newborn Jesus Curry as he slept in a manger...........

"I have no gift to bring, pa-rum-pa-pum-pum"
-Tebow.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sure, because each and every year, he tries to win.

That's crazy talk 'round these parts!

Okay, trying to win and succeeding are two different things dont you think?

Al Davis tries to win each year... Snyder tries to win each year...

So do you just fire everyone and start over the minute something doest go the way you want it to? That is Al Davis's plan and AD jr isnt far behind the crazy old bastard....

Snyder might want to win, but his quick fuse and reputation will keep him from it for awhile... He would probably be best served as a Hands off owner...

KCTitus · 12-21-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Actually if I remember right, didnt Marty get some of the personnel control in the late 90's that produced the phrase "Bones, Thugs and Marty"?

Yes, and after the abortion that was the 1998 season and Marty quit, two years later Snyder HIRED Marty and gave him personnel control.

It didnt work well.

But dont you worry, Snyder's got the Master Plan.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's not necessarily true.

He had stuck with Vinny Cerato for a decade.

Now that he's gone, we'll see. But with a dedicated fan base and tons of dough, I don't expect them to make many mistakes with Allen at the helm.

Especially if they get Shanahan.

Fair enough, I can see your point... But dude has to stop messing around with the team..

You cant be a fan first and owner second... You would make WAY too many snap emotional decessions...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-21-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Absolutely 100% Correct.

They probably love their teams, but they stay out of the way when it comes down to brass taxes. They hire the right people and get out of their way.

Snyder and Jones (lately) have hurt their teams by becoming too involved and letting their clouded judgement hold them back.

The Rooney's have always been intimately involved, just as have the Mara's and the others.

Here's an example of what I mean by that.

Mara: Hi Tom. What do you want to talk about?
Coughlin: As you know, Mr. Mara, our DC was hired by the Rams as HC.
Mara: Yes, I know.
TC: Well, I've decided to hire Clancy Pendergast.
Mara: Like **** you are! Find someone else. ANYONE else. And get the **** out of my office.
TC: Yes sir.

SPATCH · 12-21-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're missing the point, Dipshit.

Lamar Hunt kept two bozos in charge of his franchise for nearly 30 years.

While those two bozos produced some results their first decade, they were totally EPIC FAIL for the next two decades.

The Chiefs went 15 YEARS without a playoff appearance and another 16 years without a playoff win.

Like it or not, Daniel Snyder wouldn't have just sat by and watched an empty stadium for nearly two decades and not done anything about it.

The Dan Snyder approach to operating a football team has produced JACK SHIT.

You're delusional. This does more to justify keeping Haley than fire him.

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Rooney's have always been intimately involved, just as have the Mara's and the others.

Here's an example of what I mean by that.

Mara: Hi Tom. What do you want to talk about?
Coughlin: As you know, Mr. Mara, our DC was hired by the Rams as HC.
Mara: Yes, I know.
TC: Well, I've decided to hire Clancy Pendergast.
Mara: Like **** you are! Find someone else. ANYONE else. And get the **** out of my office.
TC: Yes sir.

That funny....

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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