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Old 01-01-2010, 10:32 AM  
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We are not taking a QB in the first round
Just the official thread stating it. I'm not sure why some of you are already blowing this horn.

Just keep reading the title of this thread until it ****ing sinks in.

And I'm not even a Cassel fan, but he's going to be given more than 1 season to show he is or is not the guy.

I know all the bullshit arguments that will come forth.

"He's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet" blah blah ****ing blah. I don't give a shit. I'm talking about reality. They gave him 60 mil. Even if Cassel never improves on this season (which I actually think he will, even if I'm not a fan), GM's don't admit to failures that quickly. Pioli will give him every chance to prove that he's right. He drafted him, he signed him to a 60 million dollar contract. Those of you you think that Pioli is going to turn right around and draft a QB with our first pick are ****ing morons. Yes, you are. It's ENTIRELY out of the question so please stop wasting discussion time with it.

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Old 01-02-2010, 06:46 PM   #331
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See, told you that was coming.
You're not being prophetic because what he said is not true. Their stats aren't similar when you look at the game per game basis.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:47 PM   #332
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It was pretty obvious Cassel wasn't asked to do much to get his NE stats, NE lead the league in YAC yards by a significant margin.

The stats bear it out but it was obvious even when watching everything was designed on letting him throw simple passes.
FWIW, this year, he's 44/119 on passes over 10 yards, for a 37% completion percentage.

57% of his yardage comes from passes thrown 10 yards or less.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:48 PM   #333
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It was pretty obvious Cassel wasn't asked to do much to get his NE stats, NE lead the league in YAC yards by a significant margin.

The stats bear it out but it was obvious even when watching everything was designed on letting him throw simple passes.
Unless I've missed a bunch of pro-Cassel talk somewhere in the last few pages, I think you're trying to convince a bunch of people that didn't really want Cassel in the first place that they shouldn't want him now.

We're all in the same boat, my friend: hoping that Cassel turns into something because he's probably going to be here for a while. Whether we like it or not. Which is why I haven't dogged the guy since the trade was made, and why I haven't dogged the guy all year. It's not because I liked it. It's because I didn't want to give myself an ulcer.

Let's put it this way: he may not be the best option, but right now he's the only option, for good or ill. I hope to christ below he exceeds all our expectations.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:48 PM   #334
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Whered you get those stats from? And how do they compare to a QB like Carson Palmer?
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:49 PM   #335
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FWIW, this year, he's 44/119 on passes over 10 yards, for a 37% completion percentage.

57% of his yardage comes from passes thrown 10 yards or less.
To be fair... longer passes require better protection. Just sayin'
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:51 PM   #336
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It was pretty obvious Cassel wasn't asked to do much to get his NE stats, NE lead the league in YAC yards by a significant margin.

The stats bear it out but it was obvious even when watching everything was designed on letting him throw simple passes.
That veteran team rallied to win games and Cassels stats were a byproduct of that.

He didnt have games that he simply threw the team on his back and lead them to victory, the team threw him on their back.
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Old 01-02-2010, 06:52 PM   #337
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Unless I've missed a bunch of pro-Cassel talk somewhere in the last few pages, I think you're trying to convince a bunch of people that didn't really want Cassel in the first place that they shouldn't want him now.

We're all in the same boat, my friend: hoping that Cassel turns into something because he's probably going to be here for a while. Whether we like it or not. Which is why I haven't dogged the guy since the trade was made, and why I haven't dogged the guy all year. It's not because I liked it. It's because I didn't want to give myself an ulcer.

Let's put it this way: he may not be the best option, but right now he's the only option, for good or ill. I hope to christ below he exceeds all our expectations.
This is my only argument. I don't think Cassel has had the greatest pieces around him, but right now he's going to be the only option because he's Pioli's guy. So we're going to sink or swim with him. I only hope that somehow he finds a way to become more accurate on his deep throws and that his pocket awareness improves. Generally those aren't things a QB gets better at so we're pretty much SOL.

Either way, point is, we're still not drafting a QB with our first pick so talking about it in realistic fashion is stupid. We're not doing it. End of story.
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No they ****ing don't.

Stafford has 10 games and Sanchez 14. When you look at the per game numbers Stafford is miles ahead of Sanchez. 226 passing yards per game compared to 170. And 1.3 passing TD's per game for Stafford (comes out to about 20 for 16 games) and 0.8 for Sanchez (about 13 over 16 games for Sanchez).

Stafford has more picks on a per game basis but Sanchez has 10 freaking fumbles so that evens out. Either way, Stafford has been far better and it's not really even close. Sanchez has just had a great defense bailing him out all year.
He's lost 3 of those fumbles, you really want to go there?

I guess that means I can really rail Cassel for being even more of a turnover machine, since he has 13 fumbles in 14 games?

Whether you want to see the numbers as comparable or not, I could give a shit. Other than the passing yardage (which should be lower, considering the Jets running game and lack of offensive weapons) there isn't a significant difference.
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To be fair... longer passes require better protection. Just sayin'
Fine. Let's go with this.

Then, how do you explain the numbers BossChief produced?
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To be fair... longer passes require better protection. Just sayin'
Funny, his stats are almost identical from last year to this year.

Unless you want to try to claim that the Pats OL last year was terrible - you know, the same line that has allowed less than half the sacks this year.

He just isn't an accurate downfield passer, and some of us have been saying that since before he was traded here.
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Cassel is averaging more yards per throw than Carson Palmer. How bout that.


Nm I was wrong.
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Whered you get those stats from? And how do they compare to a QB like Carson Palmer?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/players/split...644&sYear=2008

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follow the link and change the player page to find how others stack up.
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This is my only argument. I don't think Cassel has had the greatest pieces around him, but right now he's going to be the only option because he's Pioli's guy. So we're going to sink or swim with him. I only hope that somehow he finds a way to become more accurate on his deep throws and that his pocket awareness improves. Generally those aren't things a QB gets better at so we're pretty much SOL.

Either way, point is, we're still not drafting a QB with our first pick so talking about it in realistic fashion is stupid. We're not doing it. End of story.
I agree with this 100%

However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to talk about it, especially considering many think we SHOULD do it, even though they know we WON'T.

I'll take any degree of football talk over the alternative.
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Between both games, he probably did.

Ah, you found your mistake...
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Between both games, he probably did.

Ah, you found your mistake...
Yea i'm not going to lie the most telling thing about all this is I need my eyes checked seriously.
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