Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 23

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

Denny · 12-21-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbucks Fan

Favre was picked 33rd, which would be considered the 1st pick in the 2nd round now a days.

Brees was picked 32nd, which would be considered the last pick in the 1st round now.

Brady was picked when the Pats already had a QB, picked in the first, starting.

Tom Brady was picked up by the Pats in the 6th round, 199th pick overall - a compensatory pick. They didn't grab him because they were looking for a "QB of the Future" (they were satisfied with Drew Bledsoe as their starter) but more because they couldn't believe that he'd fallen that far in the draft. Brady was a damned good QB at Michigan. For a compensatory pick in the 6th, Brady was an absolute STEAL. Low (virtually NO) risk, high reward.

Mr. Laz · 12-21-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

The reason this team hasn't won jack in so many years isn't because we don't draft QB's in the first round, it's because the people who have been running the organization have shown NO ABILITY to actually evaluate the QB position.

this

They have shown NO ABILITY to develop/handle the QB position either.

3 yrds and a cloud of dust is NOT QB friendly

Yelling at your QB every day about how "not turning the ball over is the top priority" is not QB friendly

RRPP is NOT QB friendly

I wanted no part of Haley developing a QBoTF and that goes for Muir either. We must get a quality OC who can install a viable offensive system and develop a young QB with that system.

I'm a firm believer in that coaching can kill most young QB's. You flip-flop the team selection on many QB's and their futures can end up very different. Very few 'can't miss' quarterbacks.

FringeNC · 12-21-2011, 03:53 PM

NFL is all about being able to pass the ball now. Having said, the reason we lost to Indy in 2003 had nothing to do with QB play. From 2002-2005, we had the #1 or 2 offense in the league every year, and didn't do anything. That simply, is unprecedented. It's much harder to build a super offense like we did in that era, based around a fantastic line and a Kyle Orton-like QB than simply having Big Ben or Brady back there.

Sofa King · 12-21-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny

Tom Brady was picked up by the Pats in the 6th round, 199th pick overall - a compensatory pick. They didn't grab him because they were looking for a "QB of the Future" (they were satisfied with Drew Bledsoe as their starter) but more because they couldn't believe that he'd fallen that far in the draft. Brady was a damned good QB at Michigan. For a compensatory pick in the 6th, Brady was an absolute STEAL. Low (virtually NO) risk, high reward.

You really need to stop beating the Brady drum. The guy was a once in history type of pick. It won't be happening again, not with the way players are being scouted.

Just pay attention to the odds. Look at what's been posted in this thread.

whosyou · 12-21-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

That was magical season?

Yes, please show me what other qbs have a 27 touchdown to 7 interception ratio. Regardless of his yards, Cassel got 27 passing tds. The run certainly helped him. How many attempts did Cassel have?

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by whosyou

Yes, please show me what other qbs have a 27 touchdown to 7 interception ratio. Regardless of his yards, Cassel got 27 passing tds. The run certainly helped him. How many attempts did Cassel have?

Even if it was a magical season, it means shit now. It was a false indicator of his ability.

Derek Anderson once threw for 29 TDs and 3800 yards. MAGICAL! He's back in the shitter these days.

KCBOSS1 · 12-21-2011, 04:53 PM

Sunday's game was a blast, very fun to watch. I was really happy for Orton, Crennel and the rest of the Chiefs for that matter. It was fun, not only to watch the win, but to watch those guys enjoy themselves and fight for each other after a really tough week on them I'm sure. I have heard guys say, "we've got our guy" and "no way, draft a guy". This is a wait and see deal and nobody that really counts cares about anybody on here's opinion. This could be a fit. I was not a big Orton or Crennel guy, but have been impressed over the last week. I do believe that Orton could be much better than I or most guys on here have given him credit to be. He's really had no weapons. We'll see.

**SAUTO** · 12-21-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Even if it was a magical season, it means shit now. It was a false indicator of his ability.

Derek Anderson once threw for 29 TDs and 3800 yards. MAGICAL! He's back in the shitter these days.

funny how some people leave out things that are kinda important when comparing two somewhat like situations...

anderson also threw 19 INTS that magical season.

KCBOSS1 · 12-21-2011, 04:55 PM

One thing I'm sure of is that Cassel needs to restructure his contract and resign to being a quality back up or be traded. But Scott hasn't called me yet to ask me my opinion. I don't know what his deal is.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-21-2011, 04:57 PM

Did we ever stop to think that maybe the fact that they haven't drafted a 1st round QB is an indicator that they haven't properly evaluated the position and we shouldn't use their inability to evaluate as justification for not taking one.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

funny how some people leave out things that are kinda important when comparing two somewhat like situations...

anderson also threw 19 INTS that magical season.

Who gives a shit?

If Cassel had thrown 29/3800 people on here would still be lauding that season as magical.

**SAUTO** · 12-21-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Who gives a shit?

If Cassel had thrown 29/3800 people on here would still be lauding that season as magical.

not with 19 INTS. that should have told people what was going on...

O.city · 12-21-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

funny how some people leave out things that are kinda important when comparing two somewhat like situations...

anderson also threw 19 INTS that magical season.

Matt also had the top running game,a rb avg near 7ypc, and still only threw for close to 3000 yds.

out of those 27 Td I bet 12 were inside the 5 on short throws

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

not with 19 INTS. that should have told people what was going on...

30th in the ****ing league should have told people what was going on with Cassel.

O.city · 12-21-2011, 05:04 PM

wasn't the passing game ranked like 30 in the league?

And that with the best running game in the league and 8 in the box

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-21-2011, 03:53 PM	#333
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1763986	NFL is all about being able to pass the ball now. Having said, the reason we lost to Indy in 2003 had nothing to do with QB play. From 2002-2005, we had the #1 or 2 offense in the league every year, and didn't do anything. That simply, is unprecedented. It's much harder to build a super offense like we did in that era, based around a fantastic line and a Kyle Orton-like QB than simply having Big Ben or Brady back there.
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12-21-2011, 04:53 PM	#337
KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	Sunday's game was a blast, very fun to watch. I was really happy for Orton, Crennel and the rest of the Chiefs for that matter. It was fun, not only to watch the win, but to watch those guys enjoy themselves and fight for each other after a really tough week on them I'm sure. I have heard guys say, "we've got our guy" and "no way, draft a guy". This is a wait and see deal and nobody that really counts cares about anybody on here's opinion. This could be a fit. I was not a big Orton or Crennel guy, but have been impressed over the last week. I do believe that Orton could be much better than I or most guys on here have given him credit to be. He's really had no weapons. We'll see.
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12-21-2011, 04:55 PM	#339
KCBOSS1 RAISE EM RIGHT Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Casino cash: $10005366	One thing I'm sure of is that Cassel needs to restructure his contract and resign to being a quality back up or be traded. But Scott hasn't called me yet to ask me my opinion. I don't know what his deal is.
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12-21-2011, 04:57 PM	#340
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