Chiefs Alex Smith: Chief's aren't running a "Cookie-cutter offense" - Page 23

Coogs · 08:16 PM

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QB Alex Smith tells NFL Total Access that Chiefs aren't running "cookie-cutter" offense and it isn't the same as what coach Andy Reid ran with Eagles and Packers. Catch the entire interview tonight at 7PM ET on NFL Total Access.

duncan_idaho · 07-20-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Completely disagree.

This team HAS to start winning again. They have to get Arrowhead loud again. That will do wonders for recruiting new players and convincing their good players to stay. I get the feeling that Clark Hunt told Dorsey and Reid there is no 5-year plan. It has to start happening now.

And if Reid is serious about really exploring the spread and/or a read option and/or the Pistol, Smith allows Reid to maybe become an innovator. The amount Reid / Pederson can learn from tinkering this year will be very valuable.

Two 2nd round picks is high for a QB like Smith. But people are overreacting to how much we lost from it. If the Chiefs end up with a legit franchise QB within 3 years, those picks won't matter.

I hope they do. Being at LEAST mediocre with Alex Smith - and trading away those picks - makes that task harder, though. No way around that.

**Ming the Merciless** · 07-20-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't understand. Why wouldn't there be any middle ground?

Why are people convinced that Reid and Dorsey, two guys who have brought in lots of QBs, wouldn't keep trying to bring in new QBs? Smith doesn't have a long-term deal. And the offense they're likely migrating to will probably be very friendly to college QBs.

I think a 'middle ground' type of situation wouldve been getting a Matt Flynn or some other free agent, without giving up the #34 overall draft pick and whatever (presumably pretty high) second rounder we will have to give up next season. A middle ground wouldve been to sign Albert long term, and use our #1 on something that had a decent chance of really being a true impact position instead of probably losing ALbert next season. (more or less lateral move, by most metrics)
A middle ground wouldve been using the #34 pick on more weapons to develop...so that we acknowledge we probably are a team still development instead of trying to pretend we are a team that has a chance to make an impact NOW in the playoffs.

Thats just my opinion, and I know it wouldnt sell seats short term....but hey..

And I say all this knowing I am just some shlub joe schmoe hoping like hell that the 'win now' thing somehow works out.

duncan_idaho · 07-20-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

If that is the case then you can pin that loss on SOC as well as their wins. What happened last year was a demonstration about how this fan base is win now or we'll get the pitchforks. They went after the best option to win now because that's what the fans flying the ****ing banners wanted.

Who knows if that is the plan or they think AS is the answer. I do know this: Unlike the previous regime this qb hasn't been extended without playing a snap.

If this is what they think, Hunt and co. greatly misunderstood the true motivation of SOC.

It wasn't about W and L. It was about the clueless buffoon running the show and the damage he was doing to the franchise.

nychief · 07-20-2013, 03:03 PM

I think it is all much simpler than that... we had no ****ing QB, we went and got the best available in a bad market. All this screaming about "not knowing the value of the position" is horse shit... you may not like the results, but they recognized the problem and addressed as best as they could, they believe. Geno ****ing smith isn't going to beat out Sanchez... think about that? They are talking here about him already being well behind and being used as a "change of pace" QB.

Look, perhaps AS is a stopgap? But if he gets us to a top 5 QB eventually, so be it. There was no top 5 or 10 QB available...they are hard to come by. Lets just be happy that AS hasn't extended yet.

Hammock Parties · 07-20-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I would disagree.

It may have not been printed on the banners but sick of losing is what fueled the fire. If you can't see that you're naive.

We flew the banners because we wanted the jackholes leading the franchise gone. That's it.

I'm perfectly willing to sit through a 6-10 year with a rookie QB.

6-10 with a veteran QB who shows no improvement over what we had? Not so willing.

nychief · 07-20-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

If this is what they think, Hunt and co. greatly misunderstood the true motivation of SOC.

It wasn't about W and L. It was about the clueless buffoon running the show and the damage he was doing to the franchise.

Which was.... LOSING. Nobody would have given a shit if we were winning playoff games, lets be honest.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-20-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think it's almost a lock that he gets extended because Reid and Dorsey brought him in because they actually valued what Alex Smith has been the last two years. They looked at those results and thought, "That's good enough."

This should scare the **** out of everyone.

Who cares if he's "locked up" if he has an impressive 2013 outing? The contract can be structured in favor of the Chiefs so that if his play declines, he could be cut rather easily.

Pioli's biggest problem was that he wouldn't cut the cord. I don't envision Reid, Dorsey or Hunt repeating that mistake.

Dunerdr · 07-20-2013, 03:09 PM

So if cassle and pioli won a playoff game last year riding jc and the d to the ground banners would have been flying?

**Ming the Merciless** · 07-20-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

But if he gets us to a top 5 QB eventually, so be it.

The probability of this is extremely low. I like trying to simplify things, but I think you are over simplifying. There was a trade off....Win more now or try a slower build approach...we went with the win now.

If we do not 'win now' then this plan failed.

Just saying 'we went with the best QB available' is a bit too simple of an outlook, for my taste.

nychief · 07-20-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr

So if cassle and pioli won a playoff game last year riding jc and the d to the ground banners would have been flying?

Exactly. SOC acts like they were marching hand-in-hand in Birmingham singing "we shall overcome"... like they're was some moral authority attached to flying a banner complaining about a losing football team.

Eleazar · 07-20-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

To be fair, I don't think I'd judge a whole lot on what moves the Jets make.

That organization is a joke right now and I don't think there is a Qb in the league outside of Brady who could go in there and contend with that team.

While I agree with you, I think that proves my point. An organization that is run like a complete circus was the only one that thought he was more than a 3rd rounder.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-20-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

The probability of this is extremely low. I like trying to simplify things, but I think you are over simplifying. There was a trade off....Win more now or try a slower build approach...we went with the win now.

If we do not 'win now' then this plan failed.

Just saying 'we went with the best QB available' is a bit too simple of an outlook, for my taste.

It doesn't mean we failed. There are multiple teams that built a terrific foundation behind the wrong QB, then ended up with the right one. Seattle is an example of a team that took multiple swings, failed multiple times and found one. San Fran is a team that seems to have found a franchise QB even though they had a veteran. Denver and Arizona are two teams who did it and plugged in a last-chance veteran.

Yeah, if the Chiefs settle for Alex Smith, I see them as long shots. I think it's insane to think the Chiefs couldn't spend a first round pick or take multiple swings at young players over the next 3 years who could ultimately replace him.

**DeezNutz** · 07-20-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who cares if he's "locked up" if he has an impressive 2013 outing? The contract can be structured in favor of the Chiefs so that if his play declines, he could be cut rather easily.

Pioli's biggest problem was that he wouldn't cut the cord. I don't envision Reid, Dorsey or Hunt repeating that mistake.

If Reid and Dorsey prove to be as flexible in their approach to the QB position as you're suggesting, then I agree. However, it seems that far too much "old school" dominates how organizations view "their guy" at QB, largely because how this position performs dictates the job security of the decision-makers.

nychief · 07-20-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

The probability of this is extremely low. I like trying to simplify things, but I think you are over simplifying. There was a trade off....Win more now or try a slower build approach...we went with the win now.

If we do not 'win now' then this plan failed.

Just saying 'we went with the best QB available' is a bit too simple of an outlook, for my taste.

Sure. But I see a disconnect here... people, not you per se, talk about taking the time to build the team the right way - then complain about taking Fisher, who was the consensus top player in the draft. There is a moving target with many of these conversations... the "right way" is usually just whatever that person wanted...

Hammock Parties · 07-20-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

Exactly. SOC acts like they were marching hand-in-hand in Birmingham singing "we shall overcome"... like they're was some moral authority attached to flying a banner complaining about a losing football team.

It was more than that.

Pioli was a bad person who treated people like shit.

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nychief MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NYC Casino cash: $5369466	I think it is all much simpler than that... we had no **ing QB, we went and got the best available in a bad market. All this screaming about "not knowing the value of the position" is horse shit... you may not like the results, but they recognized the problem and addressed as best as they could, they believe. Geno **ing smith isn't going to beat out Sanchez... think about that? They are talking here about him already being well behind and being used as a "change of pace" QB. Look, perhaps AS is a stopgap? But if he gets us to a top 5 QB eventually, so be it. There was no top 5 or 10 QB available...they are hard to come by. Lets just be happy that AS hasn't extended yet. __________________ Good Time Charlie, Uncle Doobie and the Great Frisco Freakout.
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