Chiefs Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 - Page 23

Discuss Thrower · 06-21-2015, 11:57 AM

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues
— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

-King- · 06-22-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

7 play 70 yard TD drive
4 play 50 yard TD drive
6 play 87 yard TD drive (OT)

to end the game

in the NFC Championship Game

...but I guess we can talk about those 20 missed shots Jordan had in Game 6 of 1998 when he was terrible in the fourth quarter until the last 3 minutes

...but it's good to see Aaron Rodgers gets a pass for this game since Seattle's defense is just too good, I Guess

Who said he gets a pass? Why is everything so black and white with you? He played like shit the 4th quarter. GB was coached like shit the 4th quarter.

And 4 INTs.

In the NFC championship game. If he doesn't throw 4 INTS, you don't need miraculous passes and incidents to happen in order to win. You don't need to rely on a player dropping an easy onside kick catch in order to win. HE was the reason they were down in the end.

RunKC · 06-22-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Andrew Luck's wins:

Jax X 2
Ten X2
Bal
Hou X2
Cin
Giants
Cleveland
Washington

Losses: Denver, Philly, Pitt, New England, Dallas

Really impressive stuff.

Peyton Manning won several games for years in that shit division. Put an asterisk next to his all-time wins!

-King- · 06-22-2015, 11:08 AM

He failed several tests this semester but crammed and passed the Final.

SUCH A GREAT STUDENT! He should be valedictorian!

O.city · 06-22-2015, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The funny thing is, Russell Wilson's stats shit on Luck's if you take a closer look.

63.4% completion to 58.6%. Wilson wins.

5.8% TD rate to 4.7%. Wilson wins.

2.1% INT rate to 2.7%. Wilson wins.

7.9 YPA to 7.1 YPA. Wilson wins.

98.6 passer rating to 86.6. Wilson wins.

To date, Luck's thrown for 12,957 yards to Wilson's 9,950. He also has 600 MORE ATTEMPTS.

You said so yourself, sample size matters here. Wilson wins said stats but he's thrown it 600 times less. Throwing it, as you said, is more risky so I would assume Wilson's stats would change with 600 more attempts

RunKC · 06-22-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You said so yourself, sample size matters here. Wilson wins said stats but he's thrown it 600 times less. Throwing it, as you said, is more risky so I would assume Wilson's stats would change with 600 more attempts

One QB has no choice because their defense sucks and they had no running game.

The other has the best defense in the league and a top 5 rushing attack.

O.city · 06-22-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

One QB has no choice because their defense sucks and they had no running game.

The other has the best defense in the league and a top 5 rushing attack.

The top 5 rushing attack is BECAUSE of him though. It's not like he gets to just hand it off 30 times per game and its top 5.

RunKC · 06-22-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The top 5 rushing attack is BECAUSE of him though. It's not like he gets to just hand it off 30 times per game and its top 5.

Lynch had 1,200 yards and 12 TD's the year before Russell was drafted. And that was with teams stacking the box due to Tarvaris Jackson starting at QB.

Let's not act like Lynch isn't a top 5 RB in the NFL.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-22-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

To date, Luck's thrown for 12,957 yards to Wilson's 9,950. He also has 600 MORE ATTEMPTS.

There isn't a team in the league would hesitate for even a millisecond to make Andrew Luck the highest paid QB in the history of the NFL.

The same cannot be said for Russell Wilson.

O.city · 06-22-2015, 11:17 AM

I'm a big believer in using metrics and getting ahead of the curve by paying free agents for future production. The Chiefs paying maclin while in the middle of his prime is a good example. Never pay free agents for past production.

The Seahawks are going to have to do that here. Russel hasnt' shown he can run a pass first offense from the pocket consistently yet. He hasn't be asked to moreso, but he hasn't shown it.

I don't think thats his game though. Like Weddle said in the article, he's so much better outside the pocket making plays. I don't think you can confine him.

I'd be hesitant to make him the highest paid QB, but I'd understand it.

Hootie · 06-22-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Peyton Manning won several games for years in that shit division. Put an asterisk next to his all-time wins!

Except at various points Houston, Jacksonville and Tennessee we're all good/great. It's been the worst division in football since luck has been drafted

O.city · 06-22-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Lynch had 1,200 yards and 12 TD's the year before Russell was drafted. And that was with teams stacking the box due to Tarvaris Jackson starting at QB.

Let's not act like Lynch isn't a top 5 RB in the NFL.

He's great, but lets not act like Wilson having the capabilities he does doesn't impact the run game greatly.

-King- · 06-22-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The top 5 rushing attack is BECAUSE of him though. It's not like he gets to just hand it off 30 times per game and its top 5.

Sure, but even if you take his rushing yards away, the Seahawks still have a better rushing offense than the Colts. They'd still have 300 yards more than the Colts.

ThaVirus · 06-22-2015, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Lynch had 1,200 yards and 12 TD's the year before Russell was drafted. And that was with teams stacking the box due to Tarvaris Jackson starting at QB.

Let's not act like Lynch isn't a top 5 RB in the NFL.

He wasn't.

Lynch's YPC average before Wilson: 4.0

Lynch's YPC with Wilson: 4.6

Hootie · 06-22-2015, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

One QB has no choice because their defense sucks and they had no running game.

The other has the best defense in the league and a top 5 rushing attack.

Lmao EXCUSES

That's it. Hilarious.

ThaVirus · 06-22-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There isn't a team in the league would hesitate for even a millisecond to make Andrew Luck the highest paid QB in the history of the NFL.

The same cannot be said for Russell Wilson.

That's based on an unhealthy obsession with physical measurements and potential.

To date, Russell Wilson has been the better QB.

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Discuss Thrower "You like to drink?" Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: "I like to drink." Casino cash: $-230000	Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18 Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues — DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015 Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson? Pole cumming.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-595936	I'm a big believer in using metrics and getting ahead of the curve by paying free agents for future production. The Chiefs paying maclin while in the middle of his prime is a good example. Never pay free agents for past production. The Seahawks are going to have to do that here. Russel hasnt' shown he can run a pass first offense from the pocket consistently yet. He hasn't be asked to moreso, but he hasn't shown it. I don't think thats his game though. Like Weddle said in the article, he's so much better outside the pocket making plays. I don't think you can confine him. I'd be hesitant to make him the highest paid QB, but I'd understand it.
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