Chiefs "Alex Smith makes your defense better" - Page 23

temper11 · 06-29-2015, 02:58 PM

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-23-2015, 04:20 PM

Because the QB gets what he wants. Those are flawed teams...severely flawed and they have no choice but to outscore the other team.

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Hey, you drink as much as I have through the years, you lose brain cells! lol

So let's look back.

"Hilton is not a top 10 WR"

"I say he is. Name 10 WRs better" (this allows you to name 9 WRs better)

"I say he is. Name 15 WRs better" (this allows you to name 14 WRs better)

I did you a favor... by giving you more space to scramble for 14 WRs to be better.. therefore clearly helping you push Hilton out of the top 10... which is a benefit to your argument.

So... you drank more than me, eh?

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

How much you think Hilton gets paid by Indy? If what you say is true... Hilton will be released when his contract runs out... right?

Why pay Randall Cobb 10 mil per when you already have some solid WR talent there?

Um. You may not know this but teams tend to pay guys that are good at their positions a lot of money.

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

LOL. Now its 15?

Ok....off the top of my head:

Calvin Johnson
Odell Beckham JR
Demaryius Thomas
AJ Green
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Jordy Nelson
Julio Jones
Antonio Brown
Brandon Marshall
Victor Cruz
Larry Fitzgerald
Desean Jackson
Jeremy Maclin
ALshon Jeffrey
Andre Johnson

Hows that?

That's a stretch, if I ever saw one. How is Cruz even conceived of here? lol
Alshon is better? You really think?

Randall Cobb is better? isn't he just a product of Rodgers?

You would take 34 yr old Andre J over Hilton? I seriously doubt that.

Let's just say for argument's sake that your list is valid... that makes Hilton the 17th best WR in the league.

Would this constitute Luck having a bottom tier WR corps?

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Um. You may not know this but teams tend to pay guys that are good at their positions a lot of money.

but according to some... they are not good... merely receiving vessels from a great QB that makes them look good...

BigCatDaddy · 07-23-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

but according to some... they are not good... merely receiving vessels from a great QB that makes them look good...

QBs certainly help the cause in including chemistry.

Maybe you can name 20 WRs that went from a top level QB to a mediocre one and produced as well.

ViperVisor · 07-23-2015, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, and Cam Newton could all arguable fit the bill in 2014.

Russell Wilson fit the bill at certain points through the 2014 season as well.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career.

Andrew Luck could fit the bill in 2012 and 2013, arguably 2014 as well although their offensive line seemed to get better last season.

Carson Palmer sack rate was WAY down. And are we gonna pretend his previous years didn't happen? The ones that directly support a QB being brought down by a tough situation around him.

Cam Newton was terrible at times last year. Finished OK but did not excel in 2014.

Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career. That is nonsense and using a top 5 QBs again which for the 100th time doesn't make sense.

Andrew Luck is the QB prospect of a generation about as stupid to use a top 5 QB. And we had people claim RGIII or Wilson is as good as him because on the surface it looked like it but Luck was in a much harder spot than either of them.

Philip Rivers is right outside top 5 QB and his excelling last year while in a tough spot was a QB rating .4 better than Alex Smith. And as a little help for Rivers his guys dropped 3% not 6% like KC.

dls6501 · 07-23-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.

I have been on the same page as you have up until this.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. Ryan Tannehill's 2014 season, his third year in the league, is a season that Alex Smith could only dream about.

4,045 passing yards
27 touchdowns
66.4% completion percentage

Maybe in Alex's 10th season, he can accomplish something Tennehill did in his 3rd. Maybe.

ViperVisor · 07-23-2015, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dls6501

I have been on the same page as you have up until this.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. Ryan Tannehill's 2014 season, his third year in the league, is a season that Alex Smith could only dream about.

4,045 passing yards
27 touchdowns
66.4% completion percentage

Maybe in Alex's 10th season, he can accomplish something Tennehill did in his 3rd. Maybe.

He threw 590 passes.
6.9 yards per attempt 10.3 per completions SAME level as Smith.

dls6501 · 07-23-2015, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

He threw 590 passes.
6.9 yards per attempt 10.3 per completions SAME level as Smith.

I guess touchdowns are meaningless to you.

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Carson Palmer sack rate was WAY down. And are we gonna pretend his previous years didn't happen? The ones that directly support a QB being brought down by a tough situation around him.

Cam Newton was terrible at times last year. Finished OK but did not excel in 2014.

Ryan Tannehill was nearly the same as Smith in 2014.

Tom Brady could fit it at several different points in his career. That is nonsense and using a top 5 QBs again which for the 100th time doesn't make sense.

Andrew Luck is the QB prospect of a generation about as stupid to use a top 5 QB. And we had people claim RGIII or Wilson is as good as him because on the surface it looked like it but Luck was in a much harder spot than either of them.

Philip Rivers is right outside top 5 QB and his excelling last year while in a tough spot was a QB rating .4 better than Alex Smith. And as a little help for Rivers his guys dropped 3% not 6% like KC.

You're entire ****ing argument doesn't make sense!

You ask for QBs that have excelled with subpar OL and WR play, I list several names, you say they don't count because this, that and the other.

This guy is elite and that guy was a generational prospect and the other guy threw for more yards, more TDs, and higher completion percentage in his third year than Alex ever had in 10 years while being surrounded by unquestionably inferior talent and yet they're "much the same".

ThaVirus · 07-23-2015, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Hey, you drink as much as I have through the years, you lose brain cells! lol

So let's look back.

"Hilton is not a top 10 WR"

"I say he is. Name 10 WRs better" (this allows you to name 9 WRs better)

"I say he is. Name 15 WRs better" (this allows you to name 14 WRs better)

I did you a favor... by giving you more space to scramble for 14 WRs to be better.. therefore clearly helping you push Hilton out of the top 10... which is a benefit to your argument.

So... you drank more than me, eh?

This has flown under the radar long enough. Do you realize how you ****ed up here?

Sandy Vagina · 07-23-2015, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

whoops.. yeah, that was pretty bad, I admit.. but moving along and back to the point..

ViperVisor · 07-23-2015, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dls6501

I guess touchdowns are meaningless to you.

Cutler had 28 TDs, he was better?

Case for Tannehill noticeably did more over Smith in 2014 is incredibly weak just give it up.

jd1020 · 07-23-2015, 05:05 PM

Alex Smith is the best QB at getting his WRs to play down to his level.

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