***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Donger

What do you mean?

He means that nobody knows what is going on.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Donger

What do you mean?

He means that no one really has a clue ,it’s all Speculation at this point. ( my opinion not his)

[Donger]

Originally Posted by R Clark

He means that no one really has a clue ,it’s all Speculation at this point. ( my opinion not his)

Well, we know quite a lot. We know how many people have died. We know how it spreads. We know who are the most vulnerable to it from a mortality perspective. And so on.

Are we learning more about the virus? Sure, that's to be expected.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

The damn WHO just continues to **** things up with their messaging.

True asymptomatic spread is likely very rare. But true asymptomatic pts is not the same as presymptomatic.

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Nobody knows what's going on.

Originally Posted by loochy

He means that nobody knows what is going on.

Originally Posted by R Clark

He means that no one really has a clue ,it’s all Speculation at this point. ( my opinion not his)

And now I give you clarity.....sorta, not really but yeah

WHO Walks Back Statement That Asymptomatic Coronavirus Transmission Is ‘Very Rare,’ Now Says It Could Be ‘Around 40%’

https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/09/w...sju7wJSeyKpV3c

[Spott]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And now I give you clarity.....sorta, not really but yeah



https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/09/w...sju7wJSeyKpV3c

This is the part where someone chimes in complaining about why people don’t trust “science” or “medical experts”.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Spott

This is the part where someone chimes in complaining about why people don’t trust “science” or “medical experts”.

It's fluid and ever evolving!!! What we think we know at the time is true until we prove later that it isn't true so you must believe it every time! Or some shit like that

[FD]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, that's for sure. It's almost like we shouldn't have locked down everywhere at the same time and started the clock on the lockdowns that early.

Yeah I think the problem was in March and early April we didn't really know where the hotspots were because of the lack of a national testing strategy and so we had to shut down everywhere.

Then the complete lack of a federally coordinated strategy on opening back up based on observable metrics means that many places shut down when they shouldn't have and are also opening up when they shouldn't.

What a mess.

[Donger]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/healt...day/index.html

At least 28 states are not following US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines on reporting new Covid-19 cases -- half of which saw the trend of new cases increasing in the last week.

Those states are not reporting probable cases, according to the daily case count listed on the CDC's website. Probable cases include those that show evidence of an infection without the confirmation of a lab test and cases where coronavirus was listed as a cause or contributing cause of death but has not been confirmed with a lab test.

Some of the states with the largest populations -- like California, Florida, New York and Texas -- are among those listed as not reporting probable cases, despite CDC guidance that they should be included in the case count.

The numbers: This comes as 26 states see an increased or steady rate of new cases. More than 1.9 million Americans have been infected, and more than 111,000 have died in just over four months, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

Though coronavirus reporting guidelines are voluntary, states not reporting probable cases likely undercount the number of people infected and make it difficult for officials to get the true picture of where the nation stands as they make decisions about how to reopen.

[KCUnited]

Trying to envision a scenario, where 3 months in, people who are showing signs of having the virus aren't receiving a test.

Are people showing signs refusing a test? Are enough tests still not available for people showing signs?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Well there has been increases testing too correct?

Yes, but places are also seeing increases in percent positive cases, like Texas, which went from around four percent to seven.

Hospitalization numbers are a better metric in theory, but only if your standard for admission remains consistent. That's one of the reasons why the projection for resource usage from IHME was so high initially, and it's one of the things that initially confounded the New York numbers--they significantly increased their threshold for admission while the IHME info on hospitalization was based on numbers from Wuhan.

[Donger]

State health director tells Arizona hospitals to 'fully activate' emergency plans

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ns/5321075002/

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Donger

State health director tells Arizona hospitals to 'fully activate' emergency plans

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ns/5321075002/

If there's any truth to the idea that heat/sun helps to prevent spread, Arizona is teaching us that the fall and winter are going to be ugly.

[BleedingRed]

Protests and riots over, back to the PANIC PORN

[Donger]

Number of Texans hospitalized with coronavirus hits all-time high as experts say cases are likely to continue increasing

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06...pitalizations/

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by DaFace

If there's any truth to the idea that heat/sun helps to prevent spread, Arizona is teaching us that the fall and winter are going to be ugly.

Yeah that’s scary thought