***Official 2022-2023 NBA Thread***

[dirk digler]

Can't believe the regular season starts tonight. Just seemed like the Finals ended a couple weeks ago.



Philly vs Celtics: 6:30PM CST TNT

GSW vs Lakers: 9:00PM CST TNT

[KC_Connection]

Mahomes was easily the best player on the field in Super Bowl LV and yet there wasn't a damn thing he could have done to have won that game.

Same goes for LeBron against the KD Warriors in either of those 2 Finals.

Neither should be penalized for that if you're engaging in GOAT discussions.

[lewdog]

You play both sides and impact the game way more as an individual player in basketball. How can this even be your argument?!?!

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I didn't say Brady's titles don't matter. What I would say is that they are reflection of how good his teams were and not how good he was.

Same goes for anybody's titles. They are a team award.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Of course they don't matter.

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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Mahomes was easily the best player on the field in Super Bowl LV and yet there wasn't a damn thing he could have done to have won that game.

Same goes for LeBron against the KD Warriors in either of those 2 Finals.

Neither should be penalized for that if you're engaging in GOAT discussions.

This is absolutely horseshit.

KD clearly outplayed Lebron in those 2 finals, better team or not.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You play both sides and impact the game way more as an individual player in basketball. How can this even be your argument?!?!

Are you really arguing there was something LeBron could have done to have beaten the Kevin Durant Warriors in 2017 and 2018? If not, then how can you penalizing him for losing those Finals?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by staylor26

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They don't matter in that context, yes. Determining GOAT. If they did, we'd just hand that title to Bill Russell and Tom Brady and call it a day but nobody in their right mind actually does that.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Are you really arguing there was something LeBron could have done to have beaten the Kevin Durant Warriors in 2017 and 2018? If not, then how can you penalizing him for losing those Finals?

No, he was outmatched, but he could've outplayed KD, and he simply did not.

We all watched. We all saw KD drain a 3 right in front of Lebron's face, and then Lebron ran away the next year when he did it again to avoid the embarrassment.

[TambaBerry]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

For some reason there are a bunch of Kobetards around the internet that manage to find their way to CP. And yes, ARROW is the worst of them, but there are others, too.

What keeps Kobe from being in that conversation? Apparently lots of rx NBA players are complete morons and their opinions don't count when talking about who the greatest is because there are lots that think Kobe is.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by staylor26

This is absolutely horseshit.

KD clearly outplayed Lebron in those 2 finals, better team or not.

In 2018, LeBron's #2 was washed Kevin Love and his #3 was JR Smith who forgot the score of the game. KD's #2 was prime Steph Curry and his #3 was prime Klay Thompson.

What are you even arguing here?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

They don't matter in that context, yes. Determining GOAT. If they did, we'd just hand that title to Bill Russell and Tom Brady and call it a day but nobody in their right mind actually does that.

You don't seem to understand the distinction between "they don't matter at all" and "they're not the be all end all".

Is nuance really this difficult for you? Or is this just bad faith?

[KC_Connection]

FYI, LeBron also averaged 34-9-10 on 52% shooting in that 2018 Finals despite getting doubled on every possession. Durant was 29-11-7 on 52% shooting despite getting single coverage and a ridiculous amount of space due to playing with a top 15 player of all time in Curry.

Outplayed?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

In 2018, LeBron's #2 was washed Kevin Love and his #3 was JR Smith who forgot the score of the game. KD's #2 was prime Steph Curry and his #3 was prime Klay Thompson.

What are you even arguing here?

You know what I'm arguing here and everything you jsut said is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making.

KD was the best player on the court in both Finals.

Is it your postion that Lebron couldn't possibly be the best player on the floor if he also has a better team? Of course it's not, you're just a disingenuous ****ing cock sucker.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

FYI, LeBron also averaged 34-9-10 on 52% shooting in that 2018 Finals despite getting doubled on every possession. Durant was 29-11-7 on 52% shooting despite getting single coverage and a ridiculous amount of space due to playing with a top 15 player of all time in Curry.

Outplayed?

Lebron had to shoulder more of a workload. Of course he had better total stats. That's why he doesn't get knocked too much for losing to them. KD was still the best player on the court. Are you incapable of using your own eyes?

This is what I mean. Titles don't matter. Stats and longevity though? Well of course they're the be all end all! So convenient.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You don't seem to understand the distinction between "they don't matter at all" and "they're not the be all end all".

Is nuance really this difficult for you? Or is this just bad faith?

In the GOAT discussion, they don't. That's correct. Otherwise, you'll end up making ridiculous arguments in 10 years that Brady had a better career than Mahomes despite being nowhere near as good a player.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You know what I'm arguing here and everything you jsut said is completely irrelevant to the point I'm making.

KD was the best player on the court in both Finals.

Is it your postion that Lebron couldn't possibly be the best player on the floor if he also has a better team? Of course it's not, you're just a disingenuous ****ing cock sucker.

LeBron was the best player on the floor in that series and the stats expose that quite clearly.

KD certainly did a good job of joining up with a 73 win team and winning 2 fraudulent titles, but that doesn't make him a better player than LeBron at any point in his career.