Chiefs 2023 Free Agency - Page 235

O.city · 03-01-2023, 11:01 AM

Figured we could get one of these going as well.

Who's some guys we like, would like to see in KC?

MahomesMagic · 03-30-2023, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

People get wayyyy too worked up about testing. I will gladly take somebody at 31 who has no business being available.

Chiefs have done quite well just picking good football players like Creed Humphrey and Nick Bolton recently.

Kiimo · 03-30-2023, 03:55 PM

Something something DK Metcalf 3-cone drill

BryanBusby · 03-30-2023, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

People get wayyyy too worked up about testing. I will gladly take somebody at 31 who has no business being available.

They do. It's why I roll my eyes every year when the Combine comes up.

Wilson8 · 03-30-2023, 07:20 PM

KC contracts for new signings

OT Prince Tega Wanogho – 2023 $940,000 Base, $400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $25,000 Workout Bonus, $1,865,000 Cap Hit, $750,000 Guaranteed

DL Tershawn Wharton – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $500,000 Signing Bonus, $425,000 Roster Bonus, $90,000 Workout Bonus, $1,725,000 Cap Hit, $850,000 Guaranteed, $2,025,000 Total

OT Jawaan Taylor - 4 year, $80,000,000, including a $18,900,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000.
2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $5.825,000 Cap Hit.
2024 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.
2025 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.
2026 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.

DE CharlesOmenihu - 2 year, $16 million contract,.$10.6 million guaranteed, $8.6 million at signing,
2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $4,850,000 Cap Hit
2024 - $6,740,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $150,000 Workout Bonus, $11,150,000 Cap Hit

P Tommy Townsend – 2003 $2,627,000 Base, $2,627,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

G/C Nick Allegretti – 2003 $2,430,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,232,500 Cap Hit, $2,430,000 Guaranteed

LB Drue Tranquill – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $1,440,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $40,000 Workout Bonus, $3,000,000 Cap Hit, $2,450,000 Guaranteed

DT Derrick Nnadi – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,092,500 Cap Hit, $1,092,500 Guaranteed, $1,232,500 Contract Value

S Mike Edwards – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $1,400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $2,882,353 Cap Hit, $2,480,000 Guaranteed

TE Jody Fortson ERFA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee

QB Shane Buechele ERFA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee

TE Blake Bell – 2003 $1,165,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

DT Byron Cowart – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

DT Phil Hoskins – 2023 $940,000, $940,000 Cap Hit. $0 Guaranteed

Chiefs are down to $2,038,656 of effective cap space.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

Wilson8 · 03-30-2023, 07:31 PM

Derrick Nnadi's money is guaranteed so he probably makes roster or Chiefs trade him before season starts.

Yes we could cut him for $1.092,500 but it would be kind of a waste.

**New World Order** · 03-30-2023, 07:34 PM

WR or Edge in first depending what happens with Beckham.

Be nice if they could get Beckham then get a nice edge at 31

**BossChief** · 03-30-2023, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

Derrick Nnadi's money is guaranteed so he probably makes roster or Chiefs trade him before season starts.

Yes we could cut him for $1.092,500 but it would be kind of a waste.

He’s been on our roster more than 4 years so his minimal cap hit probably doesn’t even count against the cap due to that thing they added at the last CBA.

**The Franchise** · 03-30-2023, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He’s been on our roster more than 4 years so his minimal cap hit probably doesn’t even count against the cap due to that thing they added at the last CBA.

That was all used on Allegretti.

**BossChief** · 03-30-2023, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

That was all used on Allegretti.

Don’t you get to use it on 2 players per year? Or just 1?

**The Franchise** · 03-30-2023, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Don’t you get to use it on 2 players per year? Or just 1?

It’s a limited amount that you can split up on two people. They used it all on Allegretti’s contract.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-30-2023, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilson8

KC contracts for new signings

OT Prince Tega Wanogho – 2023 $940,000 Base, $400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $25,000 Workout Bonus, $1,865,000 Cap Hit, $750,000 Guaranteed

DL Tershawn Wharton – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $500,000 Signing Bonus, $425,000 Roster Bonus, $90,000 Workout Bonus, $1,725,000 Cap Hit, $850,000 Guaranteed, $2,025,000 Total

OT Jawaan Taylor - 4 year, $80,000,000, including a $18,900,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000.
2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $5.825,000 Cap Hit.
2024 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.
2025 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.
2026 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.

DE CharlesOmenihu - 2 year, $16 million contract,.$10.6 million guaranteed, $8.6 million at signing,
2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $4,850,000 Cap Hit
2024 - $6,740,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $150,000 Workout Bonus, $11,150,000 Cap Hit

P Tommy Townsend – 2003 $2,627,000 Base, $2,627,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

G/C Nick Allegretti – 2003 $2,430,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,232,500 Cap Hit, $2,430,000 Guaranteed

LB Drue Tranquill – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $1,440,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $40,000 Workout Bonus, $3,000,000 Cap Hit, $2,450,000 Guaranteed

DT Derrick Nnadi – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,092,500 Cap Hit, $1,092,500 Guaranteed, $1,232,500 Contract Value

S Mike Edwards – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $1,400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $2,882,353 Cap Hit, $2,480,000 Guaranteed

TE Jody Fortson EFRA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee

QB Shane Buechele EFRA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee

TE Blake Bell – 2003 $1,165,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

DT Byron Cowart – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

DT Phil Hoskins – 2023 $940,000, $940,000 Cap Hit. $0 Guaranteed

Chiefs are down to $2,038,656 of effective cap space.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

That should be PLENTY to sign OBJ and trade for DHop -Chief Fan

Wilson8 · 03-31-2023, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

He’s been on our roster more than 4 years so his minimal cap hit probably doesn’t even count against the cap due to that thing they added at the last CBA.

I've seen some other people put that info in a CP Derrick Nnadi thread. But as Franchise stated, all of the money for Veteran Salary Benefit bonus money for a four-year player was used on Nick Allegretti (see Nick's contract info). The $1,092,500 money that is shown for Derrick Nnadi is what counts against the Chief's cap.

If you look at a contract and see a bonus of $152,500 that is another type of VSB that is available for qualifying players where that bonus does not count against the cap. The bonus amount will go up accordingly - $167,500 for the 2024–25 League Years, to $187,500 for the 2026–27 League Years, to $207,500 for the 2028–29 League Years and to $227,500 for the 2030 League Year.

If you want more detail, please see - https://overthecap.com/collective-ba...ent/article/27

I think Section 7 (b) talks about the dollar amount that was used for the Nick Allegretti contract.

Monticore · 03-31-2023, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

That should be PLENTY to sign OBJ and trade for DHop -Chief Fan

How much do we need to sign our 10 or so from the draft 10mil+ ? They are going to have to extend restructure someone already .

bigjosh · 03-31-2023, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Monticore

How much do we need to sign our 10 or so from the draft 10mil+ ? They are going to have to extend restructure someone already .

The draft values are slotted, but for each new signing there is also about a million falling off the cap due to only the top 51 contracts counting against the cap. So the 3 million per year or so it costs for the 31st pick actually is about 2.2 in negative cap. Anyone later than the third is essentially free against the cap.

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Coogs · 03-31-2023, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's the Nebraska kid, right?

I think you could call him Hyatt light and not be too far off.

What I'd have to answer before I got excited about him was what happened at LSU?

Hyatt was a 1-year wonder but he was behind Tillman and Velus Jones who I think are high quality prospects/players in their own right in previous years. But Palmer was behind pretty much trash at LSU last season and did nothing then transferred out.

Was that competition level? Was there something in the system that kept him from producing? Does that something exist in KC as well?

I'm nowhere close to calling him a 2nd rounder but in the 4th you could have something there if you haven't gone WR already.

He came to Nebraska with Mickey Joseph who was the WR coach at LSU. Same guy that recruited all of the dudes tearing up the NFL from LSU right now. He played behind them at LSU for the most part. LSU was pretty much a train wreck his last season there, but I don't follow LSU enough to know why. Then he moved to Nebraska with his coach.

There were many issues with the Nebraska coaching staff this year, which everyone knows about.

But for 4 of the last 5 games of the year, there were major problems at the QB position too. Thompson got hurt. Purdy and Smothers shared the QBing job. Neither did well.

Over those 4 games (Illinois, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin), Palmer caught 15 balls for 97 yards. 4 for 47 against Wisconsin on Thompson’s first game back while Thompson was not 100% healthy. Add to that Nebraska only played 12 games instead of 13 or more like many of the top teams. And Palmer was still close to the top of the receiving lists in college football.

I hope this helps some. And here are the Nebraska stats:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb.../2022/gamelog/

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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2877557	KC contracts for new signings OT Prince Tega Wanogho – 2023 $940,000 Base, $400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $25,000 Workout Bonus, $1,865,000 Cap Hit, $750,000 Guaranteed DL Tershawn Wharton – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $500,000 Signing Bonus, $425,000 Roster Bonus, $90,000 Workout Bonus, $1,725,000 Cap Hit, $850,000 Guaranteed, $2,025,000 Total OT Jawaan Taylor - 4 year, $80,000,000, including a $18,900,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000. 2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $5.825,000 Cap Hit. 2024 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit. 2025 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit. 2026 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit. DE CharlesOmenihu - 2 year, $16 million contract,.$10.6 million guaranteed, $8.6 million at signing, 2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $4,850,000 Cap Hit 2024 - $6,740,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $150,000 Workout Bonus, $11,150,000 Cap Hit P Tommy Townsend – 2003 $2,627,000 Base, $2,627,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed G/C Nick Allegretti – 2003 $2,430,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,232,500 Cap Hit, $2,430,000 Guaranteed LB Drue Tranquill – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $1,440,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $40,000 Workout Bonus, $3,000,000 Cap Hit, $2,450,000 Guaranteed DT Derrick Nnadi – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,092,500 Cap Hit, $1,092,500 Guaranteed, $1,232,500 Contract Value S Mike Edwards – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $1,400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $2,882,353 Cap Hit, $2,480,000 Guaranteed TE Jody Fortson ERFA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee QB Shane Buechele ERFA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee TE Blake Bell – 2003 $1,165,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed DT Byron Cowart – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed DT Phil Hoskins – 2023 $940,000, $940,000 Cap Hit. $0 Guaranteed Chiefs are down to $2,038,656 of effective cap space. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space Last edited by Wilson8; 03-31-2023 at 12:56 AM..
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